Humans as Physical Political Pawns

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Hawkeye wrote:
Fri Sep 16, 2022 11:46 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lC2JaIyunVo

You let a tidal wave of people in by refusing to enforce the border at all. If MacAllen, Texas is supposed to provide for 1000 migrants/month, New York City can surely provide for 100,000 illegal immigrants per month.
RI is right. Conservatives' claim or implication that we have an open, unenforced border is a bold-faced lie!

This lie is too seldom rebutted whenever Republicans repeat it.
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Gunnar wrote:
Sat Sep 17, 2022 3:22 am
RI is right. Conservatives' claim or implication that we have an open, unenforced border is a bold-faced lie!

This lie is too seldom rebutted whenever Republicans repeat it.
That's why ajax can't help but repeat it. Lying is his favorite thing to do here.

Well, perhaps it's not his favorite thing. It's more likely it's all he's got. Not too bright, that one.
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Even your own Henry Cuellar(D) admits on your own CNN that 4.4 million illegal immigrants in 2 years is not a secure border.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... ory=foryou

If DeSantis sending illegal immigrants to sanctuary cities is illegal than surely Democrat presidents refusing to enforce the border against democratically established laws should be illegal and unconstitutional as well.
The best part about this is waiting four years to see how all the crazy apocalyptic predictions made by the fear mongering idiots in Right Wing media turned out to be painfully wrong...Gasoline would hit $10/gallon. Hyperinflation would ensue.
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Hawkeye wrote:
Sat Sep 17, 2022 4:28 pm
Even your own Henry Cuellar(D) admits on your own CNN that 4.4 million illegal immigrants in 2 years is not a secure border.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... ory=foryou

If DeSantis sending illegal immigrants to sanctuary cities is illegal than surely Democrat presidents refusing to enforce the border against democratically established laws should be illegal and unconstitutional as well.
No one is claiming that there is no room for improvement in our immigration policies and how we manage our borders. There is a lot that can be done to improve the situation if all parties involved earnestly work together to find the best and most humane solutions to the problems. But it is still a bold-faced lie to claim that we have open borders, and that Democrats are refusing to enforce the border against established laws. Governors DeSantis and Abbott's self-serving stunts are nothing but cruel and thoughtless political theatre that do nothing to improve the situation, and only exacerbate it. The cruelty is a deliberate feature of what they are doing -- not an inadvertent or incidental bug.
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Re: Humans as Physical Political Pawns

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Gunnar wrote:
Sat Sep 17, 2022 7:40 pm
Hawkeye wrote:
Sat Sep 17, 2022 4:28 pm
Even your own Henry Cuellar(D) admits on your own CNN that 4.4 million illegal immigrants in 2 years is not a secure border.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... ory=foryou

If DeSantis sending illegal immigrants to sanctuary cities is illegal than surely Democrat presidents refusing to enforce the border against democratically established laws should be illegal and unconstitutional as well.
No one is claiming that there is no room for improvement in our immigration policies and how we manage our borders. There is a lot that can be done to improve the situation if all parties involved earnestly work together to find the best and most humane solutions to the problems. But it is still a bold-faced lie to claim that we have open borders, and that Democrats are refusing to enforce the border against established laws. Governors DeSantis and Abbott's self-serving stunts are nothing but cruel and thoughtless political theatre that do nothing to improve the situation, and only exacerbate it. The cruelty is a deliberate feature of what they are doing -- not an inadvertent or incidental bug.
There's nothing cruel about putting people who have been walking through the dessert who show up uninvited in a $200/night hotel and then on an air conditioned flight to a place with the resources and compassionate people they're looking for. Biden campaigned on opening the border and ending the remain in Mexico policy. As a result we've had an estimated 4.4 million illegal immigrants pour into the country in the last two years since Biden was elected. Does that sound like a border that is being enforced to you?
The best part about this is waiting four years to see how all the crazy apocalyptic predictions made by the fear mongering idiots in Right Wing media turned out to be painfully wrong...Gasoline would hit $10/gallon. Hyperinflation would ensue.
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Re: Humans as Physical Political Pawns

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Hawkeye wrote:
Sun Sep 18, 2022 11:21 pm
There's nothing cruel about putting people who have been walking through the dessert who show up uninvited in a $200/night hotel and then on an air conditioned flight to a place with the resources and compassionate people they're looking for. Biden campaigned on opening the border and ending the remain in Mexico policy. As a result we've had an estimated 4.4 million illegal immigrants pour into the country in the last two years since Biden was elected.
OK, so you’re good with doing this to 50 border crossers.

Are you then in favor of expanding this approach to the remaining 4.4 million folks who’ve crossed into the country?
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Re: Humans as Physical Political Pawns

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Hawkeye wrote:
Sat Sep 17, 2022 4:28 pm
Even your own Henry Cuellar(D) admits on your own CNN that 4.4 million illegal immigrants in 2 years is not a secure border.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... ory=foryou

If DeSantis sending illegal immigrants to sanctuary cities is illegal than surely Democrat presidents refusing to enforce the border against democratically established laws should be illegal and unconstitutional as well.
Notice how ajax shifts his ground while pretending he didn't. He went from "borders are open" to "borders aren't secure."

What border has ever been 100% "secure"? Even the Berlin Wall with armed guards had people climbing and escaping successfully. These are just dumb word games Republicans like to play with to excuse themselves for their crimes against humanity.

The fact is what DeSantis did is illegal and ajax isn't even fretting about it because he doesn't care about what's legal. He only pretends to care about legality when it applies to those dirty brown people he hates so much. And what's hilarious is that he wants to pretend that illegal immigration only happens during Democrat administrations and that those Presidents are somehow "breaking" laws by not assuring America's Nazis in Patriot's clothing that 100% of everyone trying to get in will be stopped. Somehow. It will never happen.

The fact is border arrests under Biden have reached record levels. To Ajax, that means the borders are "open." Under Biden 1.66 million arrests have been made along the southern border during his first 8 months in office, which broke the previous all time high set in 2000. In 2022 we're on pace for over 2 million arrests which will set another record.

Open border? Who is really dumb enough to believe this crap?

Also, before 2010 the vast majority of illegal border crossers were Mexican men without children just looking for work. Now there has been a huge demographic shift, and more and more are coming with women and children from other countries like Guatemala and Honduras and we're seeing more unaccompanied minors.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/immigratio ... co-border/
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Re: Humans as Physical Political Pawns

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Open border? Who is really dumb enough to believe this crap?
That's exactly what Schmo has demanded on this board. He wants crossing the US border with Latin America to be no different than crossing the border between US states. I'm not sure why you're backpedaling on your demand for open borders. Is it because actually having to see and provide for the migrants on the migrant's timetable has made open borders less popular amongst Democrats? Socialism is great until you run out of other people's money, right?

I love how you now want to prosecute De Santis for a crime you consider to cause no more damage than jaywalking.
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The best part about this is waiting four years to see how all the crazy apocalyptic predictions made by the fear mongering idiots in Right Wing media turned out to be painfully wrong...Gasoline would hit $10/gallon. Hyperinflation would ensue.
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Re: Humans as Physical Political Pawns

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Hawkeye wrote:
Mon Sep 19, 2022 4:58 pm
Socialism is great as long until you run out of other people's money, right?
Indeed. I wonder what DeSantis, and his RINO leftist followers are going to do if they are ever made to stop being federal welfare queens.

They sure love spending money, when it isn't theirs.
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