Some Schmo wrote: ↑Fri Jan 20, 2023 7:20 pm
Vēritās wrote: ↑Fri Jan 20, 2023 6:12 am
OK, you need to explain how you define GOAT then. I mean good Lord, if what he's accomplished doesn't qualify, I don't know what does.
I define it based on talent, not championships.
Well, this isn't really an argument then because it is just a subjective assertion. "Talent" in terms of arm strength and accuracy doesn't really mean anything unless you can produce on the field. Marino had ample opportunity to win it all during his tenure but he always came up short and it was never due to a lack of supporting talent, so that's where leadership and instinct come into play and that's just something you can't coach. People either have it or they don't, and Brady has that. But having said that, Brady
could make any throw Marino could.
Brady certainly wasn't the greatest last Monday, and Monday is part of "all time."
One game? Brady had 350 yds, two TDs and 1 Int. Not exactly the worst stats for a QB. By contrast, Marino threw for over 300 yds only twice in his final season and his last game was a complete disaster, losing a playoff game 62-7. Marino only had 95 yds throwing and two interceptions. Brady threw for nearly 5,000 yds in his 22nd year playing in the NFL. That's just insane.
Would Brady have had his career success on every other team (or any other team, for that matter)? Highly doubtful.
Based on what? He won six super bowls with the Patriots and as soon as he left the team flat out sucked. Not only that, but he goes to Tampa Bay in his 20th season and gives them their first Superbowl win in nearly 20 years.
He was the beneficiary of a great coaching staff and system. No doubt, he made the most of it, but it was circumstances more than his individual talent that led to all that success.
I think hindsight is 20/20 and the evidence seems clear it was Belichick who benefited the most from Brady, not the other way around.
When the Patriots beat Seattle, it was their defense that made the critical play. Without the Patriot defense, Seattle's a 2 time winner.
And so Brady would only have six super bowl rings instead of seven? That's still six more than Marino. Again, that's just one game, and Brady still threw 4 touchdowns in that game. What about the comeback against Atlanta? Brady leads all time for 4th quarter comeback wins. That's what sets him apart. He is the
most clutch QB in NFL history, hands down. If you're life depends on winning a Superbowl, you want Tom Brady in his prime over anyone else.
I think if someone like Dan Marino was in the Patriots' system all those years, they'd have been even better.
Then it is weird how the Patriot's system couldn't win any Superbowl's before or after Brady.
The other thing that bugs me about the label "GOAT" is that the game has changed significantly over its history. It is WAY more QB/offense friendly today than it was even 20 years ago. You could absolutely blast a QB in the pocket back then, but these days, you can't even land on top of them on a sack.
That's not exactly a fair comparison because when Marino was playing football the biggest guys on defense were much, much smaller. Today's NFL defenses are fielding players that are much larger and faster than what Marino was up against.
I'm not a Patriots fan. I grew up idolizing Marino and Montana for the most part, but I also played football and have experience coaching, so I'm looking at this from a different perspective.
