Political Prisoner Persecuted , Prosecuted, but not silenced

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Re: Political Prisoner Persecuted , Prosecuted, but not silenced

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Doctor Steuss wrote:
Thu Dec 29, 2022 6:56 pm
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Judge Ellis's sentence of 48 months was far from lenient especially compared to similar crimes. Paul lists over 10 people convicted of actual bank fraud complaints brought by real banks rather than a partisan political special counsel. Most were were let off with probation. It's in the book if you'd like a list of them. I'm on my phone at a wedding and out of the country so I don't have a way to type it all out for you.
As a point of reference, each individual count of filing a falsified tax return (he was convicted of 5) carries up to a 3-year prison sentence. So, excluding all other offenses, he was sentenced to 1/4 the maximum. From looking at sentencing guidelines (as far as what it takes for an automatic increase to a level 12, and the information of what he did), that's pretty lenient.

White collar crimes though are historically very slap-on-the-wrist when it comes to justice. There are outlier cases, of course, where people are used to "make an example" or because it's high profile, but overall if you are wealthy and guilty of a white collar crime, you are going to see a fairly light sentence.

Poor person accused of stealing a backpack... 3 years at Rikers Island.
Rich person accused of stealing lots of moolah... likely probation.


[Edited to remove connected person example. I screwed up the political affiliation. Thought of adding the corporate turd doing 3 months at Rikers for Trump, but... rich connected people are rich connected people, regardless of party.]
Didn't Weissman prosecute 35 counts. He only got 5 even with Gates bearing false witness in exchange for immunity. overzealous prosecutors given way too much power is not unique to partisan political indictments designed to flip people close to a sitting president as this case was. It happens to everyday people as well.

The punishment for rich people is financial destruction. To me loss of $3 million in legal fees whether found guilty or innocent is even worse than two years in prison.
And when the Confederates saw Jackson standing fearless like a stonewall, the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
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After all these years you'd think there is no way ajax could possibly surprise, but I just realized how damned stupid this guy really is. HFS!

He picks up a book for the first time probably in his entire life and he thinks he's impressing us with his regurgitation of it. Like he's just astounded that someone would ever write something like this and it not be anything other than 100% gospel truth. lol
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ajax18 wrote:
Thu Dec 29, 2022 10:02 pm
Doctor Steuss wrote:
Thu Dec 29, 2022 6:56 pm

As a point of reference, each individual count of filing a falsified tax return (he was convicted of 5) carries up to a 3-year prison sentence. So, excluding all other offenses, he was sentenced to 1/4 the maximum. From looking at sentencing guidelines (as far as what it takes for an automatic increase to a level 12, and the information of what he did), that's pretty lenient.
Didn't Weissman prosecute 35 counts. He only got 5 even with Gates bearing false witness in exchange for immunity. overzealous prosecutors given way too much power is not unique to partisan political indictments designed to flip people close to a sitting president as this case was. It happens to everyday people as well.
He was charged with five, and found guilty on all five.
The punishment for rich people is financial destruction. To me loss of $3 million in legal fees whether found guilty or innocent is even worse than two years in prison.
If his book deal doesn't end up making him enough money, he can always take out a few more fraudulent home loans through shadow LLCs, and let a relative wipe it out through bankruptcy. Seems to have paid pretty well so far.

Since we have court filings about Manafort's habit of lying about who was paying his legal fees (hint: it wasn't him), it might be wise to take his self-serving martyr narrative of ruin at the hands of the evil Democrats with a grain of salt.

The dude lies. A lot. There's little rational reason to think that this self-serving martyr money play is any different.
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So what? Bush is a part of the swamp.
How is Manafort not also part of ‘the swamp’?
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Thu Dec 29, 2022 10:24 pm
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So what? Bush is a part of the swamp.
How is Manafort also not part of ‘the swamp’?
I think it goes like this:

Those who support Trump aren't part of the swamp. When those who support Trump are charged with crimes, it's only because they support Trump -- they are innocent and upright in all they do (only non-Trump supporters are capable of being evil). When the pattern of unethical and immoral behavior and/or investigations for crimes predates support for Trump, that just shows that the swamp is so dense that it warps spacetime.
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Doctor Steuss wrote:
Thu Dec 29, 2022 10:30 pm
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Thu Dec 29, 2022 10:24 pm
How is Manafort not also part of ‘the swamp’?
I think it goes like this:

Those who support Trump aren't part of the swamp. When those who support Trump are charged with crimes, it's only because they support Trump -- they are innocent and upright in all they do (only non-Trump supporters are capable of being evil). When the pattern of unethical and immoral behavior and/or investigations for crimes predates support for Trump, that just shows that the swamp is so dense that it warps spacetime.
Apparently so, because it’s hard to find a better example of a swamp critter than Manafort.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Manafort
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He was charged with five, and found guilty on all five.
Ok he was charged with 18 counts in the judge Ellis case in VA. 10 were declared a mistrial. 8 were convictions by the jury. Where are you getting the 5/5? Was it a different case?
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canpakes wrote:
Thu Dec 29, 2022 10:24 pm
ajax18 wrote:
Thu Dec 29, 2022 9:55 pm
So what? Bush is a part of the swamp.
How is Manafort not also part of ‘the swamp’?
Republican swamp critters would have borne false witness against Trump after any hint of an indictment. They have no backbone and they're too scared of the Chicago political machine to even say, "We need to enforce our borders," much less actually do it. They have no interest in protecting the rights of working people against the predations of those who refuse to work. Mitt Romney says enough to get your vote then you never see him again on Breitbart nor Fox News, nor does he have any intetest in the protecting the constitutional rights of his constituents.
And when the Confederates saw Jackson standing fearless like a stonewall, the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
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Thu Dec 29, 2022 11:08 pm
He was charged with five, and found guilty on all five.
Ok he was charged with 18 counts in the judge Ellis case in Virginia. 10 were declared a mistrial. 8 were convictions by the jury. Where are you getting the 5/5? Was it a different case?
5/5 of falsifying his tax returns.

Not exactly the type of thing that requires a comic-book level evil genius prosecutor, and a conniving lying rat. Either the basic black-and-white financial evidence is there that it happened, or it isn't. It shouldn't be surprising that this also happens to be something that he can't blame on someone else.

His high-paid lawyer blame game strategy worked at convincing only a single juror (in that instance, it was only "reasonable doubt"). It appears to be doing much better, and well-beyond "reasonable doubt" with his self-serving "I'm a martyr" book.
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ajax18 wrote:
Thu Dec 29, 2022 11:21 pm
canpakes wrote:
Thu Dec 29, 2022 10:24 pm
How is Manafort not also part of ‘the swamp’?
Republican swamp critters would have borne false witness against Trump after any hint of an indictment. They have no backbone and they're too scared of the Chicago political machine to even say, "We need to enforce our borders," much less actually do it. They have no interest in protecting the rights of working people against the predations of those who refuse to work. Mitt Romney says enough to get your vote then you never see him again on Breitbart nor Fox News, nor does he have any intetest in the protecting the constitutional rights of his constituents.
That doesn’t exclude Manafort for being a perfect example of ‘the swamp’.

Read up on his history, and who he’s worked for.
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