DeSantis' War on Education

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Re: DeSantis' War on Education

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ajax18 wrote:
Thu Jan 19, 2023 5:57 pm
Should parents have the right to forbid teaching evolution or modern astronomy in their children's science classes?
No, and I don't think that's what Florida and Virginia parents were saying during the governors' elections. They're saying that you don't have the right to inculcate young children with the belief that homosexuality and marriage is on an equal moral level to heterosexual marriage. They're saying that white children should not be labeled as oppressors and black children as victims for something that happened 150 years ago.
I see nothing wrong with promoting the same civil rights and consideration to both heterosexual and LGBTQ couples. Bigotry and discrimination against others based merely on that is every bit as unjust and immoral as discrimination against others based only on race, religion, ethnicity, economic class and biological gender.

No one I know of is teaching that white children should be labeled as oppressors made to feel guilty merely for being white, but it is dishonest to gloss over the history of past racial and ethnic injustices and pretend that there are no longer any lingering consequences of that. A lot of progress has been made towards true racial and ethnic equality since 150 years ago, but let's not deny that there is further progress still to be made.
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Re: DeSantis' War on Education

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I see nothing wrong with promoting the same civil rights and consideration to both heterosexual and LGBTQ couples. Bigotry and discrimination against others based merely on that is every bit as unjust and immoral as discrimination against others based only on race, religion, ethnicity, economic class and biological gender.
They have the right to do whatever they want behind closed doors between consenting adults. You don't have the right to teach my kids to be gay, especially when parents send their kids to school is dictated by the government rather than a free market.

How about discrimination based on political party? How would you feel if I started teaching your child about the evils of socialism or if I took my lesson plans from Breitbart?
No one I know of is teaching that white children should be labeled as oppressors made to feel guilty merely for being white, but it is dishonest to gloss over the history of past racial and ethnic injustices and pretend that there are no longer any lingering consequences of that. A lot of progress has been made towards true racial and ethnic equality since 150 years ago, but let's not deny that there is further progress still to be made.
I think stopping at "judged by the content of their character and not the color of their skin," would have been fair. Everything beyond that is way too far and it will continue to be met with hostility.
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ajax18 wrote:
Fri Jan 20, 2023 1:26 am
I think stopping at "judged by the content of their character and not the color of their skin," would have been fair. Everything beyond that is way too far and it will continue to be met with hostility.
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ajax18 wrote:
Fri Jan 20, 2023 1:26 am
I think stopping at "judged by the content of their character and not the color of their skin," would have been fair. Everything beyond that is way too far and it will continue to be met with hostility.
1. In the US as you currently believe it to be, do you think that people are currently (by and large and on the whole) "judged by the content of their character and not the color of their skin"?

2. If your answer to that question is "on the whole, no, or at least not yet", do you think that the resultant colour based judging tends to advantage or disadvantage any particular group of people?

2. Suppose you have a class made up of kids with a mix of skin colours, do you think that it goes "too far" to refer at some point in the school curriculum to the fact that some people in the US will be advantaged in their progress through life by their skin colour, and others disadvantaged?

I would be grateful if you would take the time to respond to those specific questions. That will help me to a better understanding of the point of view that you represent in your post.
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Doctor Steuss wrote:
Thu Jan 19, 2023 6:12 pm
I always find it curious that so many white people, when taught about America's history of slavery, seem to identify with the slave holders more-so than the abolitionists.
Which is probably why they feel the white guilt they want to deny they should be responsible for.
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