My Elders Quorum President Is An Exotic Dancer

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Lowrance wrote:
Thu Mar 02, 2023 4:24 pm
But not in wokie world where it's perfectly fine to sexualize children.
If you’re worried about sexualizing children, how are you explaining - to your daughters - your religious devotion to a man who married a 14-year old?

Wouldn’t it be more responsible to start with yourself first, before trying to accuse anyone else not in your own perceived political in-group of the same behavior?
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Xenophon wrote:
Thu Mar 02, 2023 4:38 pm
If you can't surmise my answer from above your reading is worse than I thought. That said I'm not sure we've established:
Lowrance wrote:
Thu Mar 02, 2023 4:19 pm
because all of this is taking place in drag shows all over the United States.
As indisputable fact. Doc has already asked you to source some of those allegations and you're going to have to do WAY better than a screen grab or two to convince me that it is a systemic enough problem to warrant action on my part. You're also going to need to demonstrate that the caregivers of these children were wholly unaware of what they were getting into before I shift blame to someone other than them. I also find things like child beauty pageants reprehensible but mostly that disgust is on the parents for subjecting their children to it.

Assuming a venue makes reasonable considerations to inform the public of the content and follows regulatory guidelines for things like ID checking, where applicable and as it has in every scenario I've seen, and preventing incidental exposure then I don't see how the focus can be on anyone but the parents.

Totally unrelated to drag shows but I think anecdotally useful: I have witnessed several peers express disgust or dismay that a movie turned out far too raunchy for their child who they brought to see said movie. Deadpool notoriously memed parents for this. "So let me get this straight, there was a waning attached to the movie about the graphic nature of the film through a rating system, and you had to circumvent theatre policy to get around ID requirements for your child, but it wasn't until you saw the film you realized it was inappropriate?"... still pretty much a you thing, friend.
https://youtu.be/33XJPDjgoaQ

Young girl dancing on stage with drag queen, walks up to queen and starts rubbing the crotch area of a drag queen and the drag queen doesn't stop her from touching him. Of course, wokies will probably find this amusing see this kind of thing as progress.
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Okay, so we're up to 1 example (god help my algorithm after clicking that link) and it contains:

-A child clearing just wanting to touch the "scales" on the mermaid character with effectively no sexualization of it other than what you have assigned. The performer appears to attempt to play it off and move away when possible. If you think they found that sexually gratifying I think that says a bit more about you than it does them. I've seen nearly an identical touching scenario happen at Disney World and it mostly speaks to me to the innocent nature of children and their general curiosity. If that rises to your level of sexulaization of children I'd be interested to know your take for things like, kids sitting in Santa's lap.

-A split maneuver no different than any cheerleader or drill team has performed all over my own state and I'd assume yours too. I'm curious about your equal vigor in shutting down halftime shows at every HS football game across the country.

-Basically no dancing outside of that split that could be even remotely considered sexual.

Your problem mostly seems to me that you have 1) pre-determined that these performers are out to get your children, this causes you to view everything they do as inappropriate when you likely wouldn't bat an eye if the dynamics were shifted just a bit and 2) allowing your own discomfort with the idea of drag and the folks that are interested in it to color the glasses you view all these events through

Again, they aren't my cup of tea and I likely wouldn't take my children but the reaction to them for me is mostly overblown. Your example also doesn't speak to my other concerns, namely were the parents duly informed of what was going to happen that day? They all seem to be having a good time and the children seem pretty safe and secure to me. I hope that wasn't your best example for the terrible acts happening "all over this country"
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Lowrance wrote:
Thu Mar 02, 2023 4:47 pm
https://youtu.be/33XJPDjgoaQ

Young girl dancing on stage with drag queen, walks up to queen and starts rubbing the crotch area of a drag queen and the drag queen doesn't stop her from touching him. Of course, wokies will probably find this amusing see this kind of thing as progress.
Personally, when I watched the video of a young kid petting the costume "tail" of a woman portraying a fictional princess, I didn't sexualize it. Perhaps a shortcoming on my part, but I'd venture it might be worth some introspection by those who did immediately see sexuality in it. Kind of gross to me that anyone would look at it, and think sexually. Likely a wokie failing.

Rachel Brezeale, the owner of Chattanooga Princess Parties, told us Ariel was born a woman and also identifies as a woman. She said the Disney Princesses portion of the event was separate from the drag show.
https://www.local3news.com/local-news/d ... e754e.html
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Doctor Steuss wrote:
Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:18 pm
Personally, when I watched the video of a young kid petting the costume "tail" of a woman portraying a fictional princess, I didn't sexualize it. Perhaps a shortcoming on my part, but I'd venture it might be worth some introspection by those who did immediately see sexuality in it. Kind of gross to me that anyone would look at it, and think sexually. Likely a wokie failing.

Rachel Brezeale, the owner of Chattanooga Princess Parties, told us Ariel was born a woman and also identifies as a woman. She said the Disney Princesses portion of the event was separate from the drag show.
https://www.local3news.com/local-news/d ... e754e.html
I viewed it exactly the same way Steuss and I just have to lol with the addition of your extra context (thanks for that by the way).

Question for Lowrance, knowing now that was a woman playing a fictional character does your reaction to the interaction change significantly? If so I think we're back to my two points above. You've made up your mind on what these events are for and what they do and that is causing you to view EVERYTHING about them in the worst light possible.

And before we go further, I'm sure there are some scenarios that are actually legitimately inappropriate. But by setting off the fire alarm for all these nothing burgers I'd argue you hurt your case for those, not help.
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Xenophon wrote:
Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:25 pm
And before we go further, I'm sure there are some scenarios that are actually legitimately inappropriate. But by setting off the fire alarm for all these nothing burgers I'd argue you hurt your case for those, not help.
To be sure. But this isn’t really about what’s happening at any given drag queen performance, cheerleading event or child beauty pageant. This is more accurately identified as Lowrance using this as an excuse to dishonestly characterize large groups of people with ridiculous labels based solely on the fact that they didn’t vote for his political candidates.
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Xenophon wrote:
Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:25 pm
Doctor Steuss wrote:
Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:18 pm
Personally, when I watched the video of a young kid petting the costume "tail" of a woman portraying a fictional princess, I didn't sexualize it. Perhaps a shortcoming on my part, but I'd venture it might be worth some introspection by those who did immediately see sexuality in it. Kind of gross to me that anyone would look at it, and think sexually. Likely a wokie failing.



https://www.local3news.com/local-news/d ... e754e.html
I viewed it exactly the same way Steuss and I just have to lol with the addition of your extra context (thanks for that by the way).

Question for Lowrance, knowing now that was a woman playing a fictional character does your reaction to the interaction change significantly? If so I think we're back to my two points above. You've made up your mind on what these events are for and what they do and that is causing you to view EVERYTHING about them in the worst light possible.

And before we go further, I'm sure there are some scenarios that are actually legitimately inappropriate. But by setting off the fire alarm for all these nothing burgers I'd argue you hurt your case for those, not help.
It's low effort trolling by a person who has zero interest in portraying an accurate representation of the facts.
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Res Ipsa wrote:
Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:49 pm
Xenophon wrote:
Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:25 pm
I viewed it exactly the same way Steuss and I just have to lol with the addition of your extra context (thanks for that by the way).

Question for Lowrance, knowing now that was a woman playing a fictional character does your reaction to the interaction change significantly? If so I think we're back to my two points above. You've made up your mind on what these events are for and what they do and that is causing you to view EVERYTHING about them in the worst light possible.

And before we go further, I'm sure there are some scenarios that are actually legitimately inappropriate. But by setting off the fire alarm for all these nothing burgers I'd argue you hurt your case for those, not help.
It's low effort trolling by a person who has zero interest in portraying an accurate representation of the facts.
Please, by all means, give us the facts.
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Lowrance wrote:
Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:53 pm
Res Ipsa wrote:
Thu Mar 02, 2023 5:49 pm


It's low effort trolling by a person who has zero interest in portraying an accurate representation of the facts.
Please, by all means, give us the facts.
LOL! That's not how this works. You made strong claims and cited a video and a couple of pics as evidence. The "facts" were that the video of the little girl and the mermaid was (a) not part of a drag show; (b) not a man dressed as Ariel; (c) was clearly a little girl who was fascinated by the mermaids scales.

So now we're all supposed to take your word on what a couple of blurry photos show?

The relevant fact is that what you are doing is low effort trolling. Once busted, no one has an obligation to do your homework.
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Lowrance wrote:
Thu Mar 02, 2023 4:47 pm
Xenophon wrote:
Thu Mar 02, 2023 4:38 pm
If you can't surmise my answer from above your reading is worse than I thought. That said I'm not sure we've established:
As indisputable fact. Doc has already asked you to source some of those allegations and you're going to have to do WAY better than a screen grab or two to convince me that it is a systemic enough problem to warrant action on my part. You're also going to need to demonstrate that the caregivers of these children were wholly unaware of what they were getting into before I shift blame to someone other than them. I also find things like child beauty pageants reprehensible but mostly that disgust is on the parents for subjecting their children to it.

Assuming a venue makes reasonable considerations to inform the public of the content and follows regulatory guidelines for things like ID checking, where applicable and as it has in every scenario I've seen, and preventing incidental exposure then I don't see how the focus can be on anyone but the parents.

Totally unrelated to drag shows but I think anecdotally useful: I have witnessed several peers express disgust or dismay that a movie turned out far too raunchy for their child who they brought to see said movie. Deadpool notoriously memed parents for this. "So let me get this straight, there was a waning attached to the movie about the graphic nature of the film through a rating system, and you had to circumvent theatre policy to get around ID requirements for your child, but it wasn't until you saw the film you realized it was inappropriate?"... still pretty much a you thing, friend.
https://youtu.be/33XJPDjgoaQ

Young girl dancing on stage with drag queen, walks up to queen and starts rubbing the crotch area of a drag queen and the drag queen doesn't stop her from touching him. Of course, wokies will probably find this amusing see this kind of thing as progress.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexuali ... y_pageants

Why haven’t you started a thread about sexualization in beauty pageants? It’s fairly obvious you’re taking your marching orders from the right-wing media and blogosphere.

This guy is a Baptist minister busted for child porn:

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