True Crime: Holy cats this youtuber is LDS related

[Jersey Girl]

I watched a video by Annie Elise in which she played lots of videos of Jodi. She really formed a Mormon spin-off matriarchal cult. I wouldn’t be surprised to see her ex’d for apostasy.

10 to life. She is intelligent and articulate. There's a reason she has such a high subscriber count. I'll take a look for that one.

Getting ex'd sounds about right. And also incarcerated for the rest of her natural life.

[Res Ipsa]

I watched a video by Annie Elise in which she played lots of videos of Jodi. She really formed a Mormon spin-off matriarchal cult. I wouldn’t be surprised to see her ex’d for apostasy.

10 to life. She is intelligent and articulate. There's a reason she has such a high subscriber count. I'll take a look for that one.

Getting ex'd sounds about right. And also incarcerated for the rest of her natural life.

She also has the sincerity and the confidence that leads people to want to believe her.

[Jersey Girl]

Link is from a post on Adam Paul Steed's Facebook. It's to Hulu.

https://www.hulu.com/series/0a905581-c1 ... E3PePW7JBY

[Res Ipsa]

Link is from a post on Adam Paul Steed's Facebook. It's to Hulu.

https://www.hulu.com/series/0a905581-c1 ... E3PePW7JBY

Huh. Did we know that a judge refused to give child services a warrant so they could interview the Franke children?

[Jersey Girl]

Link is from a post on Adam Paul Steed's Facebook. It's to Hulu.

https://www.hulu.com/series/0a905581-c1 ... E3PePW7JBY

Huh. Did we know that a judge refused to give child services a warrant so they could interview the Franke children?

I hadn't heard it before.

[Moksha]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0jwsWV47vM

Jersey, this contains some previously unheard true crime information.

[Res Ipsa]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0jwsWV47vM

Jersey, this contains some previously unheard true crime information.

Ugh. I don't think much of this you tuber. Her video is from five days ago. She claims that the media has been ignoring reports by one SLC reporter, which she knows of because she reads his Xitter feed. But I quickly found an article in the SL Trib and other reports dated the same date as her video that contained exactly the information that she claims the media is ignoring.

The new information is helpful in terms of exactly what happened on the day Franke and Hildebrandt were arrested. Kevin had already said that he had received texts from Ruby that day while he was at work and that they spoke and Ruby told him he needed to go pick up their kids. She also apparently called the president of Connexions, who it turns out was Jodi's long time best friend, and asked her to pick up the two girls -- one of whom was at a rec center. The Connexions president did pick up both girls and took them to her home.

Meanwhile, the child welfare folks were scrambling to locate the two girls. They went to the house, where no one answered the door. The blinds were drawn, so they could not tell whether anyone was home. They got a warrant, and law enforcement broke the door down to gain entry. No one was inside the home.

The child welfare people also contacted Shari, the estranged older daughter who is attending BYU. She didn't have the girls. Neither did the son who no longer lives at home.

It wasn't clear to me how law enforcement learned that the Connexions president had the two girls. They were at her house in American Fork. The girls initially wanted to stay there, but were given the choice to be placed in foster care or to stay with Shari. They chose Shari.

Where I think the you tuber goes off the rails is over what happened next. The child welfare folks asked Shari to go to the house and get clothes and other items for the four children. The police escorted her to the house. Shari is estranged from her parents and it's pretty clear she didn't have permission to enter their home. Still, the request to her was reasonable, and had she just retrieved stuff for the children, there would probably have been no fuss.

However, Shari took more than just stuff for the kids. She also took: "passports for Ruby Franke, Kevin Franke and her 18-year-old brother, along with three tablets, three cell phones, three cameras and a stack of written journals." Those weren't hers and she didn't have Ruby or Kevin's permission to take them. It does not appear that law enforcement had a search warrant for anything other than the children. Taking those items was pretty clearly theft, and when Kevin found that they were missing, he reported it. He also had seen something Shari had said on television that led him to (correctly) believe she had taken them.

The YouTuber tried to portray this as Kevin trying to get Shari arrested for entering the home to get things for the children. That's a gross misrepresentation of what really happened. She also expresses incredulity over the fact that policy didn't seize the items instead of helping Kevin get them back. She speculates that the items might contain evidence, but neglects the fact that the police didn't have a search warrant that covered those items. Even worse, the fact that the police took Shari to the house raises the appearance that the police possibly conducted an illegal search by asking Shari to grab more than stuff for the kids. Search for and seizing evidence in the house requires probable cause and a warrant.

Whatever the evidence turns out to be regarding Kevin's culpability in the abuse of his children, he is understandably angry about the situation he is in. However, speaking and acting out of anger is about the worst thing he could do in his current position. He's lots better off letting his attorney do the talking.

[Res Ipsa]

The judge in the child welfare case has ordered the case records sealed and placed a gag order on those who attend.https://kutv.com/news/local/utah-judge- ... -documents That a child welfare case was ever public like this is weird to me. I think it's the right thing for the kids involved.

The criminal case against Ruby and Jodi is a different matter. As far as I can tell, there still has been no bail hearing. That's another thing that is weird to me.

[Moksha]

Jersey Girl, maybe this can add to your true crime list:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMAR88PiaZc

[Res Ipsa]

I'm watching this joint Mormon Discussions/True Hidden Crime video that places Jodi Hildebrandt, Daybell/Vallow, Tim Ballard and others into the same Mormon subculture. So far, it's pretty darn fascinating. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eyqYLlGwBk