If not Biden, who?

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If not Biden, who?

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The doomsayers are out in force to predict Biden will lose to Trump. Imagine being the kind of person that argues Trump is somehow fitter and more qualified for the presidency than Biden. If any proof were needed that politics are ultimately irrational, this would be it. Trump rambles on about Nikki Haley failing to protect the Capitol on January 6th, or how he is running against Barack Obama, yet somehow it is Old Joe who is the addled one we need to be worried about. Good grief.

We are doomed. Doomed because our nation is full of idiots.

I don't care what your politics are. If you think that Biden is somehow worse than Trump, as bad as Biden may be on a good day, then you are in need of psychological help or a brain transplant. Your problem is not political. Your problem is you.

ETA: So if you are a Dem who thinks you need a new presidential candidate, then who do you believe will be able to beat Trump?

I think almost no current Democrat can do it. It is Biden or a guaranteed loss. Not a probable one.
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Re: If not Biden, who?

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I'm sure you're right. For now, like it or not, Biden is probably the most viable alternative to another dreadful 4 years of Trump. Biden may not necessarily be the best or most qualified Democrat that could competently fill the role of President, but he has already demonstrated that he cares far more about democracy, decency and the general welfare and well-being of his country and his fellow humans than Trump does! How can anyone in his right mind continue to support a would-be tyrant like Trump, who openly admits that he would gladly see the country's economy and its people seriously decline, if that could be used to discredit his political opponents and help him and his wealthy cronies win whatever they want for themselves.
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Kishkumen wrote:
Tue Feb 13, 2024 8:37 pm
The doomsayers are out in force to predict Biden will lose to Trump. Imagine being the kind of person that argues Trump is somehow fitter and more qualified for the presidency than Biden. If any proof were needed that politics are ultimately irrational, this would be it. Trump rambles on about Nikki Haley failing to protect the Capitol on January 6th, or how he is running against Barack Obama, yet somehow it is Old Joe who is the addled one we need to be worried about. Good grief.
This is addled how?

Dumb, shameful, dangerous, un-American: Biden blasts Trump's comments on NATO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuYLHok8ZyY
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Re: If not Biden, who?

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Jersey Girl wrote:
Wed Feb 14, 2024 12:20 am
This is addled how?

Dumb, shameful, dangerous, un-American: Biden blasts Trump's comments on NATO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuYLHok8ZyY
Thanks for posting that link! How can anyone who calls themself an American (including ajax18) seriously consider voting for someone who openly declares that they would encourage Putin and Russia to "do whatever the hell they want", to NATO if he is the slightest bit dissatisfied with how much NATO is doing for its own defense? Can there be even the slightest bit of reasonable doubt that Trump cares more about supporting Putin than his own country, allies and people? Why wouldn't Putin do everything he can to help Trump get elected?
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Re: If not Biden, who?

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Gunnar wrote:
Wed Feb 14, 2024 12:57 am
Jersey Girl wrote:
Wed Feb 14, 2024 12:20 am
This is addled how?

Dumb, shameful, dangerous, un-American: Biden blasts Trump's comments on NATO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuYLHok8ZyY
Thanks for posting that link! How can anyone who calls themself an American (including ajax18) seriously consider voting for someone who openly declares that they would encourage Putin and Russia to "do whatever the hell they want", to NATO if he is the slightest bit dissatisfied with how much NATO is doing for its own defense? Can there be even the slightest bit of reasonable doubt that Trump cares more about supporting Putin than his own country, allies and people? Why wouldn't Putin do everything he can to help Trump get elected?
Well at this point I think Trump qualifies for a 5150 psych hold having said that about the NATO alliance. And in the above link, Biden spells out exactly--EXACTLY-- how Trump views NATO and how limited his understanding and thought processes are. I about died when Biden said he sees relationships as transactional. Biden has got his number good and proper and he spelled it out in that speech. I'm just surprised he didn't outright call him a "Sick F***" as he reportedly does in private and I wouldn't have minded at all if he did because it's true, and yet he maintained presidential bearing throughout his delivery.

That press conference the other day when he mixed up the presidents of Mexico and was it Egypt? Anyway, the man is in constant contact with oversees leaders in Israel, Egypt, Q'tar (?) all those places trying to do his diplomatic damndedst, throw his weight around a little while walking a tightrope with Netanyahu because the US dumps eleventy billion dollars into their defense over there and you have to know those international calls take place between several time zones so someone is up in the middle of the night doing it...probably Biden so he can touch base with some or all of them in one shot--and the man is simply EXHAUSTED.

Why wouldn't he be?

Trump's never put that much work in on anything in his whole entire life. He can't even keep his collective shite together right now between his legal and campaign stuff. And people think Biden is going down hill? He's is not going downhill...he's climbing up a mountain every day of his life right now what with trying to effect peace in the Middle East and getting Congress to get those packages through because Ukraine is over there rationing ammunition at this point, the Gaza folks are about to get evacuated to only God knows where and they're in humanitarian crisis...good grief...look what's happening in the world and what's Trump doing?

Fending off incarceration trying to snag a get out of jail free card, that's what he's doing.

I don't participate in much political stuff here lately but I do know what's going on most of the time. Biden is simply tired in a situation that would exhaust even a 35 year old (legal age to run for President). Trump couldn't keep all the balls up in the air in a situation like this and the truth is that he wouldn't bother himself to even try.

Trump sat there on his Armani covered butt watching TV while Rome burned on Jan 6th without so much as lifting a finger to intervene. Does anyone think he'd do the job a second time when he didn't do it in the first place? Does anyone really think that a man who claimed he couldn't remember 400+ times in one deposition is going to remember anything better on the job than Biden does? More honestly?

At this point Trump is throwing his toys around the room while Biden's knocking himself out DOING the job he was hired to do.

Forget it. You all know what's going on. I'm preaching to the choir over here.
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Re: If not Biden, who?

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I wondered a while ago where JFK was, meaning, Where is the charismatic young American leader?

In spite of every great thing the United States has achieved as a nation, it’s not actually a big surprise that Donald Trump is doing as well as he has. American culture has always had a thick thread of arrogant ignorance; in the 1850s there were the Know-Nothings. The cistern that is finally overflowing just now was never so far from the brim. But why does the United States of America have no-one better than Joe Biden to compete against Trump? That’s the stumper for me.

How did you people get to this state? Did the whole Democratic Party just decide that once it had gotten a black man into the White House history was over and everyone could go home? For that matter, how did the Republicans become so helpless against an insurgent whom Ronald Reagan would surely have demolished quickly?

That to me is the bizarre phenomenon that needs explanation, not the emergence of Trump.
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Re: If not Biden, who?

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To me this presidential election seems to be a choice between Biden
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Putin.
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Re: If not Biden, who?

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Gunnar wrote:
Wed Feb 14, 2024 12:57 am
Jersey Girl wrote:
Wed Feb 14, 2024 12:20 am
This is addled how?

Dumb, shameful, dangerous, un-American: Biden blasts Trump's comments on NATO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuYLHok8ZyY
Thanks for posting that link! How can anyone who calls themself an American (including ajax18) seriously consider voting for someone who openly declares that they would encourage Putin and Russia to "do whatever the hell they want", to NATO if he is the slightest bit dissatisfied with how much NATO is doing for its own defense? Can there be even the slightest bit of reasonable doubt that Trump cares more about supporting Putin than his own country, allies and people? Why wouldn't Putin do everything he can to help Trump get elected?
Not long ago Europe, Obama, and every one of you was railing against the right for spending money on military and foreign wars rather than social welfare. Perhaps Trump shouldn't have publicly stated that he would cut off the holier than thou Democratic socialist Europe if they aren't willing to pay their fair share as allies. But I totally agree with Trump in priciple. Why would I pay to protect people who hate me and want to see global pinko communism? The US should have provided Putin an off ramp from the Ukraine war over two years ago. Russia took over Crimea under Obama, who did nothing to stop them. Now the US isn't even willing to hand over Crimea to Russia in a peace deal. And for what? To continue spending Ukranian blood and American treasure to take back Donback and Crimea? That's never going to happen. Ukraine shouldn't be deciding on when to broker a peace deal, we should have a say as long as we're paying for it. And I don't mean the deep state. I mean legal American taxpayers.
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Re: If not Biden, who?

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I imagine Gavin Newsome would have a great chance to beat Trump.

But I've been surprised at how effective Biden has been, and wouldn't mind another 4 years with him. If it's between two old farts, I'll take the one who doesn't have delusions of dictatorship. Hell, I'll take the one who isn't an obviously incompetent moron.
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Re: If not Biden, who?

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Jersey Girl wrote:
Wed Feb 14, 2024 12:20 am
Kishkumen wrote:
Tue Feb 13, 2024 8:37 pm
The doomsayers are out in force to predict Biden will lose to Trump. Imagine being the kind of person that argues Trump is somehow fitter and more qualified for the presidency than Biden. If any proof were needed that politics are ultimately irrational, this would be it. Trump rambles on about Nikki Haley failing to protect the Capitol on January 6th, or how he is running against Barack Obama, yet somehow it is Old Joe who is the addled one we need to be worried about. Good grief.
This is addled how?

Dumb, shameful, dangerous, un-American: Biden blasts Trump's comments on NATO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuYLHok8ZyY
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