Supreme Court Puts Trump Back on the Ballot

[Doctor Steuss]

How can you argue that Jan 6 was an insurrection when nothing was stopped.

Using this logic, the only way an Insurrectionist could be charged in the US would be if it were by the Insurrectionists themselves. Because, unless an Insurrection is successful, it wasn't really one.

So, you'd have to have a successful Insurrection, in which case the Insurrectionists would be in power, and the only ones who could bring about consequences for their own actions.

Great googely-moogely.

[Res Ipsa]

Kamala Harris certainly has not engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the Constitution. The rioters you refer to may have been rebelling against the police, but the local police are not the U.S. Constitution.

Did they burn down federal buildings?

Exactly who burnt down which federal buildings?

How can you argue that Jan 6 was an insurrection when nothing was stopped. Congress certified the election later that afternoon.

Easily. The fact that the South lost the war doesn't mean there was no insurrection. You're confusing "insurrection" with "insurrection that successfully overthrows the government."

And there is no evidence that Donald Trump ordered the rioters to attack the capital.

So? Ordering an attack is not required to qualify as having "engaged in insurrection."

Take a step back and ask yourself how bad the results of Democrat policy has been to see Donald Trump polling higher with blacks and Hispanics than any Republican ever before. If you want to beat Donald Trump and MAGA, why not rethink your hard left policies and try to earn citizens votes rather than using banana republic tactics to disqualify and persecute your political opponents?

You've repeatedly shown that you don't understand my politics. At all. First, apparently unlike you, I don't expect people to all vote the same based on race. Second, there are lots of Black and Hispanic evangelicals that have begun to identify with Christian Nationalism. Ridiculous at it seems to associate Donald Trump with anything resembling Jesus Christ, he is the candidate that is giving at least lip service to Christian Nationalism. Third, I have never advocated for keeping Trump off the ballot. Had you asked my opinion, I would have told you that I was not in favor of the Colorado and similar cases. I've argued against your "political persecution" narrative before, and I'm not going to repeat myself. It's a delusion. Unlike you, I don't advocate for a fully politicized justice system top to bottom that is purely political in enforcement. I'm in favor of prosecuting cases solely on their merit and for taking practical action to prevent purely political prosecution.

So, whoever you think you're talking to, it's not me.

You're also making an argument that illustrates your personal hypocrisy. You have stated full support for making it as hard as possible for people likely to vote for a Democrat to vote at all. Trump's cult of thugs is, in reality, a small percentage of eligible voters. Yet it deliberately targets folks who have historically tended to vote for democrats and works hard to keep them from voting at all. If you want to throw around the term "banana republic," you should start with that.

I'm surprised that you didn't retain this basic fact about our legal system from your property law class.

That is a good explanation. Thanks. I wasn't very impressed with level of teaching these overpaid law professors put out either. But under our current system, only the student pays the cost of failure. The professor gets paid regardless of how poor his performance is.

When and at which school did you take this class. And how much was the teacher paid?

[Kishkumen]

If this legal theory was so specious, then why did Congress make a law saying the Vice President didn't have the right to do this? Do you not see a big difference between pursuing a specious legal theory and firing on Fort Sumpter? Are those pretty much the same thing in your mind? Come on.

An armed mob converging on the Capitol at the encouragement of Trump is very much like firing on Fort Sumter, yes. I don't see any theory there. I see cold hard fact. Trump tried to stop the electoral count because he wanted to throw fake electors in and steal the election. It is all very simple to work out, if you are not an insurrectionist at heart yourself. You are an insurrectionist, ajax18. Your avatar says it all. You want the GOP to take power as the South rising again. It could not be more obvious. The rest of this bellyaching is just you trying to feign some semblance of sanity when the truth of who you are and what you hope for are out in the open for everyone to see.

You're assuming that two tiered partisan political justice system will always be in place. Did Mitch McConnel not show to Democrats that the precedents they set will cut both ways?

I am assuming that only an idiot would not be able to distinguish between an armed mob seeking to stop the count of electoral votes at the behest of a president who lost the election, and very many other things that are not that by any stretch of the imagination. The only thing I have seen in my lifetime that looks like insurrection was the GOP stirring up its people to violence to stop the counting of ballots. It happened in Florida. It happened in DC. Both times it was Republicans doing it.

I don't think this is all that difficult to work out, even for you. But you don't want to work it out because you support insurrection. You want Trump to become the dictator of this country and institute a new apartheid government, where everyone is forced to live by Christo-fascist rules.

[ajax18]

You've repeatedly shown that you don't understand my politics. At all. First, apparently unlike you, I don't expect people to all vote the same based on race. Second, there are lots of Black and Hispanic evangelicals that have begun to identify with Christian Nationalism. Ridiculous at it seems to associate Donald Trump with anything resembling Jesus Christ, he is the candidate that is giving at least lip service to Christian Nationalism. Third, I have never advocated for keeping Trump off the ballot. Had you asked my opinion, I would have told you that I was not in favor of the Colorado and similar cases. I've argued against your "political persecution" narrative before, and I'm not going to repeat myself. It's a delusion. Unlike you, I don't advocate for a fully politicized justice system top to bottom that is purely political in enforcement. I'm in favor of prosecuting cases solely on their merit and for taking practical action to prevent purely political prosecution.

I misstated that. I wasn't speaking to you personally as much as I was to the Biden Administration and the Democrat party. There's a reason the polls are where they are. Joe Biden is a bad president and his policies are producing bad results. It's kin d of late in the game for working class folks to figure this out but they are finally starting to get the point.

[ajax18]

You want Trump to become the dictator of this country and institute a new apartheid government, where everyone is forced to live by Christo-fascist rules.

What are Christan fascist rules in your opinion? Do you mean not wanting my grade schoolers taught that homosexuality is normal and moral and anyone who believes differently is a bigot and should be shamed and ostracized? Is it Christian fascism to not want my kids being exposed to pornographic books that Gov. DeSantis wasn't even allowed to show on his televised debate but are considered perfectly acceptable in your child's school library? How about not wanting a surgeon cutting on you who was selected because he met the DEI requirements rather than because he was at the top of his med school class? Or perhaps it's Christian fascist to say that people should not have babies until they're legally married? Could it possibly be that this could be responsible for poverty rather than systemic racism? No of course not.

I don't think you understand what's driving the conservative movement. I think what voters are saying is that they'd rather have $2.00/gallon gasoline, 2% interest rates, and a mean tweet right now rather than what we now have.

[Kishkumen]

What are Christan fascist rules in your opinion? Do you mean not wanting my grade schoolers taught that homosexuality is normal and moral and anyone who believes differently is a bigot and should be shamed and ostracized? Is it Christian fascism to not want my kids being exposed to pornographic books that Gov. DeSantis wasn't even allowed to show on his televised debate but are considered perfectly acceptable in your child's school library? How about not wanting a surgeon cutting on you who was selected because he met the DEI requirements rather than because he was at the top of his med school class? Or perhaps it's Christian fascist to say that people should not have babies until they're legally married? Could it possibly be that this could be responsible for poverty rather than systemic racism? No of course not.

I don't think you understand what's driving the conservative movement. I think what voters are saying is that they'd rather have $2.00/gallon gasoline, 2% interest rates, and a mean tweet right now rather than what we now have.

Hah! Yeah, when we have conservative courts saying that frozen embryos are people, we are all wrong to be concerned, and we are to believe that $2 gas, which is just a silly demand (want a pony thrown in for good measure?), is the real reason you want a Trump dictatorship. I think the takeaway here is that you are ready for a dictator, so long as he saves your children from knowing about gay people or having access to a book that might teach them more about them. The bottom line is that you are willing to give freedom away to be protected from things you do not like. You are an insurrectionist, a salivating fan of Christo-fascist authoritarianism. You are straining at a gnat to swallow the camel of living under Herr Fuhrer Trump.

Disgusting.

[Doctor Steuss]

Kind of interesting little tidbit, and peak behind the curtain, gleaned from the mistaken inclusion of metadata in the released decision(s).

The Supreme Court ruled that an individual state may not disqualify a presidential candidate from the ballot under Section 3 of the 14th Amendment, which bars insurrectionists from regaining public office. All nine justices agreed with this bottom line. Five justices went further, however, declaring that only Congress may enforce Section 3 against federal candidates. In a brief opinion, Justice Amy Coney Barrett said the court should not have reached this broader question about congressional authority. Sotomayor made the same point in a longer, more acerbic opinion joined by Justices Elena Kagan and Ketanji Brown Jackson. Her opinion was styled as a concurrence, but we now know that it was actually, probably until late in the drafting process, labeled a dissent. We also know that the opinion was originally ascribed only to Sotomayor.

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[Res Ipsa]

You've repeatedly shown that you don't understand my politics. At all. First, apparently unlike you, I don't expect people to all vote the same based on race. Second, there are lots of Black and Hispanic evangelicals that have begun to identify with Christian Nationalism. Ridiculous at it seems to associate Donald Trump with anything resembling Jesus Christ, he is the candidate that is giving at least lip service to Christian Nationalism. Third, I have never advocated for keeping Trump off the ballot. Had you asked my opinion, I would have told you that I was not in favor of the Colorado and similar cases. I've argued against your "political persecution" narrative before, and I'm not going to repeat myself. It's a delusion. Unlike you, I don't advocate for a fully politicized justice system top to bottom that is purely political in enforcement. I'm in favor of prosecuting cases solely on their merit and for taking practical action to prevent purely political prosecution.

I misstated that. I wasn't speaking to you personally as much as I was to the Biden Administration and the Democrat party. There's a reason the polls are where they are. Joe Biden is a bad president and his policies are producing bad results. It's kin d of late in the game for working class folks to figure this out but they are finally starting to get the point.

LOL! The Biden administration is not the "hard left." That's more of your delusion. The Democratic Party is not the "hard left." That's more of your delusion.

If you want to talk about Biden's policies, start a new thread. This one is about yesterday's Supreme Court decision.

[ajax18]

This one is about yesterday's Supreme Court decision.

Which was based on the oxymoronic idea that you have to stop citizens from voting in order to save democracy.

[Res Ipsa]

This one is about yesterday's Supreme Court decision.

Which was based on the oxymoronic idea that you have to stop citizens from voting in order to save democracy.

LOL! Now you're just punking me. The Colorado decision would not have stopped a single person from voting, You, on the other hand, actively promote voting requirements that would keep people from voting. And they just happen to be people who would not vote like you do.