Page 1 of 2
Ohio man, 81, fatally shoots Uber driver, 61, after scammers target both of them
Posted: Wed Apr 17, 2024 7:26 pm
by doubtingthomas
"Ohio man, 81, fatally shoots Uber driver, 61, after scammers target both of them"
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/oh ... rcna147827
It's clear that a lot of people over 60 don't think clearly and their reasoning skills decline, as evidenced by this board.
Perhaps people over 75 shouldn't be allowed to own a gun.
Re: Ohio man, 81, fatally shoots Uber driver, 61, after scammers target both of them
Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2024 12:57 am
by honorentheos
Interesting premise given your choice of evidence used to support it. Or are you subtly saying you're even older than we have been led to believe?
Re: Ohio man, 81, fatally shoots Uber driver, 61, after scammers target both of them
Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2024 3:01 am
by doubtingthomas
honorentheos wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2024 12:57 am
Interesting premise given your choice of evidence used to support it. Or are you subtly saying you're even older than we have been led to believe?
Nope. You, Doc, and others seem to have low reasoning skills. How old are you?
Re: Ohio man, 81, fatally shoots Uber driver, 61, after scammers target both of them
Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2024 3:17 am
by Imwashingmypirate
Re: Ohio man, 81, fatally shoots Uber driver, 61, after scammers target both of them
Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2024 10:16 pm
by Doctor Steuss
My favorite thing about this isn't that the cohort groupings stop at 30, but that it shows there's a drastic and hugely significant psychosocial maturity gap between 16-21 year olds, and 22-25 year olds, with a growing linear trend with each subsequent age cohort.
Self-goals are fun.
Re: Ohio man, 81, fatally shoots Uber driver, 61, after scammers target both of them
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2024 5:35 pm
by Res Ipsa
Doctor Steuss wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2024 10:16 pm
My favorite thing about this isn't that the cohort groupings stop at 30, but that it shows there's a drastic and hugely significant psychosocial maturity gap between 16-21 year olds, and 22-25 year olds, with a growing linear trend with each subsequent age cohort.
Self-goals are fun.
DT, I read the paper you cited. Some questions:
1) Can you quote the language in the paper that supports your claim that "cognitive skills begin to decline at age 45?"
2) The paper contrasts two different types of development:
The present study examines two psychological phenomena relevant to legal questions about adolescent maturity: cognitive capacity, which undergirds logical thinking, and psychosocial maturity, which comprises individuals’ ability to restrain themselves in the face of emotional, exciting, or risky stimuli.
In contrasting between "cognitive capacity" and "psychosocial maturity," the paper states:
One way to think about the difference between these capacities and abilities is to distinguish between “cold” cognition and “hot” cognition. Cold cognition refers to mental processes (such as working memory or response inhibition) employed in situations calling for deliberation in the absence of high levels of emotion (e.g., Figner, Mackinlay, Wilkening, & Weber, 2009). Hot cognition involves mental processes in affectively charged situations where deliberation is unlikely or difficult.
Here, the scammers claimed they were holding a relative hostage. Why are you claiming this situation reflects cognitive capacity?
3) Upthread, you said: "Perhaps people over 75 shouldn't be allowed to own a gun."
Who commits more gun violence, 20 year olds or 75 year olds? Consider both totals and rates.
Re: Ohio man, 81, fatally shoots Uber driver, 61, after scammers target both of them
Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2024 12:36 pm
by Dr. Shades
Okay, let me see if I have this straight:
You're using something that happened in Ohio as evidence for a dynamic occurring on THIS BOARD?
Please explain your logic.
Re: Ohio man, 81, fatally shoots Uber driver, 61, after scammers target both of them
Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2024 11:37 pm
by doubtingthomas
Res Ipsa wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2024 5:35 pm
1) Can you quote the language in the paper that supports your claim that "cognitive skills begin to decline at age 45?"
Jesus Christ, wrong study.
https://www.bmj.com/content/344/bmj.d7622
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7812437/
Res Ipsa wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2024 5:35 pm
2) The paper contrasts two different types of development:
The present study examines two psychological phenomena relevant to legal questions about adolescent maturity: cognitive capacity, which undergirds logical thinking, and psychosocial maturity, which comprises individuals’ ability to restrain themselves in the face of emotional, exciting, or risky stimuli.
Do you think psychosocial maturity is influenced a lot by the way society raises kids?
Res Ipsa wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2024 5:35 pm
Who commits more gun violence, 20 year olds or 75 year olds? Consider both totals and rates.
I wouldn't be against the idea of preventing 20 year olds from having a gun.
You have to take into account that 75-year-olds are less likely to be in dangerous situations. I doubt that many 75-year-olds are out on the streets drinking. I suspect that 75-year-olds are way more likely to see danger where there is none. The concern is that 75 year olds who aren't doing anything wrong, may see things that aren't there.
Re: Ohio man, 81, fatally shoots Uber driver, 61, after scammers target both of them
Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2024 11:37 pm
by doubtingthomas
Dr. Shades wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2024 12:36 pm
You're using something that happened in Ohio as evidence for a dynamic occurring on THIS BOARD?
Please explain your logic.
Here's the evidence
https://www.bmj.com/content/344/bmj.d7622
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7812437/
Re: Ohio man, 81, fatally shoots Uber driver, 61, after scammers target both of them
Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 12:28 am
by Morley
Thomas, once again:
1) You didn’t read either one of these papers.
2) Neither of these papers claims what you say it does.