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Criminalization of Homelessness
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2024 4:58 am
by Moksha
The Supreme Court is looking into the legal status of the homeless. The case, City of Grants Pass v. Johnson, carries enormous stakes nationwide as the conservative justices decide their fate.
What is your opinion, and do you think the Soylent Green Snack Company of Linden Utah will receive a windfall in raw materials? Soylent could adopt the motto, "You can leave your heart in San Francisco again without worrying about dysentery."
Re: Criminalization of Homelessness
Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2024 11:07 pm
by yellowstone123
It's an issue that concerns me. Since returning to my hometown after ten years there are many homeless openly living in the mid-size city parking lots. These people were not there ten years ago. I feel for them. I really do want to help.
I was addressing the issue of don't do unto others what you don't want done to yourself. Jersey Girl went to a – proactive approach of do unto others like you would like others to do to you - or something like that.
The issue is this is the 21st century and not the first century.
I look at the people who are homeless and many have mental health problems. In Los Angeles, California and Orange County, California they tried or are presently trying to get homeless/unhoused people off the street and put them in motels. But a lot of time they don't want to follow any rules, especially the rules of the motel. They are well known at shelters and some have restraining orders against them filed at court by their parents and shelters.
When I see someone who looks at me for help, I ask myself if they are receiving SSI, they may not be homeless/unhoused, actually live somewhere and receive a whole host of low to no cost medical and dental benefits. They may pay little to no pay for bus fare if they show evidence, they are receiving Medicare and SSI. To be curious and ask questions may result in them becoming violent.
In 2024 to be proactive, give money, or buy a meal for them when you see their condition because you believe you would want someone to do the same if you were in the same situation might be a wrong assessment as they are not hungry as someone bought them the same meal you are offering an hour earlier and if you give them some money it might be the same amount 5 other people gave them the last hour.
Are they implying something and I’m inferring wrongly or is its other way around?
Check out the argument from California Counties and their proactive approach.
https://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/c ... v-johnson/
Re: Criminalization of Homelessness
Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 6:52 pm
by ajax18
Moksha wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2024 4:58 am
The Supreme Court is looking into the legal status of the homeless. The case, City of Grants Pass v. Johnson, carries enormous stakes nationwide as the conservative justices decide their fate.
What is your opinion, and do you think the
Soylent Green Snack Company of Linden Utah will receive a windfall in raw materials? Soylent could adopt the motto, "You can leave your heart in San Francisco again without worrying about dysentery."
It's already against the law to sleep outside on someone elses property. It's been the law your entire life. If you don't believe me, go try it sometime and see if you don't get arrested and provided with three hots and a cot in jail. I guess you'll just have to bring them all over to your place.
Re: Criminalization of Homelessness
Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 7:16 pm
by Res Ipsa
ajax18 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2024 6:52 pm
Moksha wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2024 4:58 am
The Supreme Court is looking into the legal status of the homeless. The case, City of Grants Pass v. Johnson, carries enormous stakes nationwide as the conservative justices decide their fate.
What is your opinion, and do you think the
Soylent Green Snack Company of Linden Utah will receive a windfall in raw materials? Soylent could adopt the motto, "You can leave your heart in San Francisco again without worrying about dysentery."
It's already against the law to sleep outside on someone elses property. It's been the law your entire life. If you don't believe me, go try it sometime and see if you don't get arrested and provided with three hots and a cot in jail. I guess you'll just have to bring them all over to your place.
So, you support locking up the occupiers at Malheur and Pappy Bundy for trespassing?
Re: Criminalization of Homelessness
Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 7:28 pm
by Res Ipsa
yellowstone123 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2024 11:07 pm
It's an issue that concerns me. Since returning to my hometown after ten years there are many homeless openly living in the mid-size city parking lots. These people were not there ten years ago. I feel for them. I really do want to help.
I was addressing the issue of don't do unto others what you don't want done to yourself. Jersey Girl went to a – proactive approach of do unto others like you would like others to do to you - or something like that.
The issue is this is the 21st century and not the first century.
I look at the people who are homeless and many have mental health problems. In Los Angeles, California and Orange County, California they tried or are presently trying to get homeless/unhoused people off the street and put them in motels. But a lot of time they don't want to follow any rules, especially the rules of the motel. They are well known at shelters and some have restraining orders against them filed at court by their parents and shelters.
When I see someone who looks at me for help, I ask myself if they are receiving SSI, they may not be homeless/unhoused, actually live somewhere and receive a whole host of low to no cost medical and dental benefits. They may pay little to no pay for bus fare if they show evidence, they are receiving Medicare and SSI. To be curious and ask questions may result in them becoming violent.
In 2024 to be proactive, give money, or buy a meal for them when you see their condition because you believe you would want someone to do the same if you were in the same situation might be a wrong assessment as they are not hungry as someone bought them the same meal you are offering an hour earlier and if you give them some money it might be the same amount 5 other people gave them the last hour.
Are they implying something and I’m inferring wrongly or is its other way around?
Check out the argument from California Counties and their proactive approach.
https://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/c ... v-johnson/
Thanks for the link to Scotusblog. That's a ton of amicus briefs. California and a couple others submitted an "amicus brief in support of either side." I don't recall seeing that before, although I'm sure it's happened. Basically, they explain to the Court the complex issues that are involved and ask the Court not to do something that makes the problem worse.
It's a complex problem with no simple solutions. Proposed solutions that take the problem seriously run smack into NIMBY opposition. Addressing the problem by throwing people in jail for the crime of having no place to sleep is, in my opinion, a waste of money and counterproductive.
Re: Criminalization of Homelessness
Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 9:02 pm
by Everybody Wang Chung
Moksha wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2024 4:58 am
The Supreme Court is looking into the legal status of the homeless. The case, City of Grants Pass v. Johnson, carries enormous stakes nationwide as the conservative justices decide their fate.
What is your opinion, and do you think the
Soylent Green Snack Company of Linden Utah will receive a windfall in raw materials? Soylent could adopt the motto, "You can leave your heart in San Francisco again without worrying about dysentery."
Re: Criminalization of Homelessness
Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 11:10 pm
by ajax18
Res Ipsa wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2024 7:16 pm
ajax18 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2024 6:52 pm
It's already against the law to sleep outside on someone elses property. It's been the law your entire life. If you don't believe me, go try it sometime and see if you don't get arrested and provided with three hots and a cot in jail. I guess you'll just have to bring them all over to your place.
So, you support locking up the occupiers at Malheur and Pappy Bundy for trespassing?
If I were to bring my sleeping bag and sleep under the side roof of a competing optical in search of a dry spot on a rainy night, would I be arrested and taken to jail? I don't know about the left coast but that's always been the law where I'm from.
Re: Criminalization of Homelessness
Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 11:31 pm
by Res Ipsa
ajax18 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2024 11:10 pm
Res Ipsa wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2024 7:16 pm
So, you support locking up the occupiers at Malheur and Pappy Bundy for trespassing?
If I were to bring my sleeping bag and sleep under the side roof of a competing optical in search of a dry spot on a rainy night, would I be arrested and taken to jail? I don't know about the left coast but that's always been the law where I'm from.
So, the answer to my question is “yes.”
Re: Criminalization of Homelessness
Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2024 8:53 am
by Dr. Shades
Moksha wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2024 4:58 am
The Supreme Court is looking into the legal status of the homeless. The case, City of Grants Pass v. Johnson, carries enormous stakes nationwide as the conservative justices decide their fate.
Help us out. What, specifically, are the "enormous stakes?"
Re: Criminalization of Homelessness
Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2024 11:38 am
by ajax18
Res Ipsa wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2024 11:31 pm
ajax18 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2024 11:10 pm
If I were to bring my sleeping bag and sleep under the side roof of a competing optical in search of a dry spot on a rainy night, would I be arrested and taken to jail? I don't know about the left coast but that's always been the law where I'm from.
So, the answer to my question is “yes.”
No. I was responding to the original post on the "Criminalization of homelessness." It's already been criminal long before I was even born.