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Binger took issue with my assessment that pro-Trump influencers are either fascists/x.Nationalists or junkyard dogs. I have clarified that by pro-Trump influencer, I don't mean a conservative giving Trump a pass while voting down party lines or against Biden while wishing there was somebody else. I mean unashamedly pro-Trump. There is probably a good reason for the narrow spectrum, and that is the need to compete with other influencers for views, when shock and outrage is the commodity. Binger said that I am wrong about only these two categories but he isn't aware of another category so there's that.

It's been a terribly long day, and it's going to be an even longer week and month and so this will be a slow effort, but I will add as I have time. To get things started, let's start with big names who could be seen as paradigms of the two categories.

Junkyard Dog #1 = Alex Jones and https://www.infowars.com/

A typical junkyard dog with 3 million followers, Dan Bongino:
https://rumble.com/c/Bongino

Nationalist #1 = The richest pastor in the world, Kenneth Copeland
https://www.youtube.com/@CopelandMinistries

A rising star among Christian Nationalists and far-right Republican officials, Joel Webbon
https://rumble.com/v2kjjqx-can-a-baptis ... s=rel_v1_b

Don't lie about what I said. Thanks.

Gadianton wrote: ↑

Wed Jul 10, 2024 4:05 am

Binger took issue with my assessment that pro-Trump influencers are either fascists/x.Nationalists or junkyard dogs. I have clarified that by pro-Trump influencer, I don't mean a conservative giving Trump a pass while voting down party lines or against Biden while wishing there was somebody else. I mean unashamedly pro-Trump. There is probably a good reason for the narrow spectrum, and that is the need to compete with other influencers for views, when shock and outrage is the commodity. Binger said that I am wrong about only these two categories but he isn't aware of another category so there's that.

It's been a terribly long day, and it's going to be an even longer week and month and so this will be a slow effort, but I will add as I have time. To get things started, let's start with big names who could be seen as paradigms of the two categories.

Junkyard Dog #1 = Alex Jones and https://www.infowars.com/

A typical junkyard dog with 3 million followers, Dan Bongino:
https://rumble.com/c/Bongino

Nationalist #1 = The richest pastor in the world, Kenneth Copeland
https://www.youtube.com/@CopelandMinistries

A rising star among Christian Nationalists and far-right Republican officials, Joel Webbon
https://rumble.com/v2kjjqx-can-a-baptis ... s=rel_v1_b

I asked for 10 examples of fascists and 10 junkyard dogs.

So far, you are still at zero. There is no evidence that the two men you have mentioned are dogs or that the other two are fascist. Please support your claim and correct what I said to be what I actually said. Thanks little man.

Gadianton wrote: ↑

Wed Jul 10, 2024 4:05 am

Junkyard Dog #1 = Alex Jones and https://www.infowars.com/

A typical junkyard dog with 3 million followers, Dan Bongino:
https://rumble.com/c/Bongino

Nationalist #1 = The richest pastor in the world, Kenneth Copeland
https://www.youtube.com/@CopelandMinistries

A rising star among Christian Nationalists and far-right Republican officials, Joel Webbon
https://rumble.com/v2kjjqx-can-a-baptis ... s=rel_v1_b

For shame, Gad. Calling these miserable human beings ‘junkyard dogs’ is an insult to actual junkyard dogs.

https://rumble.com/v56ceei-Trump-rally- ... 02024.html

Here is Brenden Dilley, a friend of Trump's and our next "junkyard dog" exhibit. Oh look, Morley, for some reason he has a cartoon of a cross-dressing Randy Savage flipping the bird on his title screen today. Totally random; don't see the connection to anything aside from my belief about the WWF and politics. The Macho Man sadly died in 2011, by the way. Yes, I was a fan. Anyway, this is the guy who was threatening Democrats with a punishment that's in violation of Leviticus. Cross-dressing, Sodomy; he's not going to have a good time when Christian Nationalists take over. Especially this one:

https://rumble.com/c/PastorLocke

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2 ... -politics/

https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/christi ... h-on-jews/

Pastor Greg Locke. He's the full list of pro-Trump and election denial, holocaust denial, bring back Leviticus etc.

But it's both sides! Just look at Kishkumen who recently said Republican's quit caring about character. Just look at the good character ^^^ !!

Binger,

I learned something recently from Joel Webbon. Reconstructionists and dominionists don't believe in immediately stoning same-sex partners to death. That's reserved as a capitol punishment should they continue in sin after multiple convictions.

canpakes wrote:For shame, Gad. Calling these miserable human beings ‘junkyard dogs’ is an insult to actual junkyard dogs.

You got me there. I didn't mean to say there's anything wrong with junkyards either. I'm cool with both junkyards and junkyard dogs. Junkyard dogs probably have a decent life in most cases; lots of space to move and explore.

Gadianton wrote: ↑

Thu Jul 11, 2024 3:08 am

But it's both sides! Just look at Kishkumen who recently said Republican's quit caring about character. Just look at the good character ^^^ !!

Kish said Republicans quit caring about character? Is what you are suggesting reality? Is it true?

I am asking because I spent a bit of time on that thread - Some of this time was spent engaging with kish directly.

I thought he said - "When did Republicans stop caring?"

Would it be safe to assume that you can see a significant difference between what you are suggesting was said and what was actually said?

ceeboo wrote: ↑

Thu Jul 11, 2024 3:32 am

Kish said Republicans quit caring about character? Is what you are suggesting reality? Is it true?

It’s a fair conclusion. Republicans have lined up to support a man who has done the following:

- Been found liable of sexual assault,

- Been found guilty of fraud,

- Has filed for bankruptcy multiple times,

- Has punted over a billion dollars worth of his past tax liabilities on to the Joe and Jane Six Packs of America, to be covered by their own tax obligation,

- Has admittedly cheated on several of his wives,

- Had largely ignored one of his children until it was convenient to acknowledge her,

- Had to settle a housing discrimination case for one of his properties after being dragged into court for it,

- Had to settle a court case alleging fraudulent practices at ‘Trump University’,

- Was a known friend of that Epstein fellow for decades, and has been the subject of rape allegations (including of minors) in conjunction with that friendship,

- Screwed a pornstar while his wife was at home tending to her first child, then tried to bury the story via illegal payments,

- Has a reputation for non-payment or abuse of many tradesmen or subcontractors who’ve done work for him,

- Praises international dictators and seems slavishly obsequious to Russia’s Putin,

- Has bragged that he would have no problem with Russia killing off citizens of other countries and taking their land if they don’t ’pay up’ to NATO,

- Seems devoid of compassion or humility,

- Is unable to be truthful about most anything, even about stupid minor things,

- Egged on a crowd of folks to attack the Capitol on J6 on the premise that the election was ‘stolen’,

- Spends inordinate amounts of time each day tweeting out insults at people and punching down on anyone that he thinks he can get away with bullying.

… I could go on, but I’m tired of typing.

Even Binger has proudly stated on multiple occasions his own argument that folks like Trump because Trump is an asshole. . : D

Both the list above and Binger’s argument would seem to support the conclusion allegedly voiced by Gad and Kish. Otherwise, can you tell me how you believe that character is factoring into anyone’s choice of Trump as their candidate, or how you’d argue that any Trump voter actually cared enough about character to guide their choice?

Wow, canpakes! You really brought the goods. Am I to understand that our resident Trump supporters were not aware of this list? Or do they think that Trump is wildly unlucky or unfairly persecuted to be on the wrong end of so many legal cases and apparent moral failings? At what point does a person add all of this stuff together and question Trump’s moral probity, his character? If people find excuses for all of these things, what are others to conclude concerning the weight they place on upright character in a candidate?

What I have learned here is that in the minds of some Trump supporters politicians are corrupt, so DJT gets kind of a pass.

If all people in politics are corrupt, then what does it matter that Trump allegedly did/does these things, so long as he gets the policy results—like ending Roe v. Wade—that they desire? So, I think that it is pretty clear some Trump voters find the question of Trump’s character naïve, misguided, or hypocritical, but one might argue that this is borne of extreme cynicism about politics.

Kishkumen wrote: ↑

Thu Jul 11, 2024 5:14 am

Wow, canpakes! You really brought the goods. Am
I to understand that our resident Trump supporters were not aware of this list? Or do they think that Trump is wildly unlucky or unfairly persecuted to be on the wrong end of so many legal cases and apparent moral failings? At what point does a person add all of this stuff together and question Trump’s moral probity, his character? If people find excuses for all of these things, what are others to conclude concerning the weight they place on upright character in a candidate?

What I have learned here is that in the minds of some Trump supporters politicians are corrupt, so DJT gets kind of a pass.

If all people in politics are corrupt, then what does it matter that Trump allegedly do these things, so long as he gets the policy results—like ending Roe v. Wade—that they desire? So, I think that it is pretty clear some Trump voters find the question of Trump’s character naïve, misguided, or hypocritical, but one might argue that this is borne of extreme cynicism about politics.

The assumptions you make about people never end. There is a word for that, ya know. It is astounding how much you know about people you have never met.