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He was always fringe, but his years of extreme addiction and the experimental Russian opioid coma seems to really have done irreparable damage to his cognitive abilities. Not surprising that with his reduced cognitive abilities, he'd favor Trump, given the wealth of research on people that tend to adhere to pro-Trump and Trump-adjacent ideologies, and their cognitive abilities compared to the general populace.

I think one of the most interesting studies I've seen thus far on the phenomena was by Lazar Stankovdone on college students (1254), and also included foreign students trying to gain admission into US colleges (1600) in the study. Even with the diverse cultural, ethnic, and geographical diversity presented, reduced cognitive function, difficulty with pattern recognition, reduced vocabulary, and several other factors were successful predictors of pro-Trump ideological adherence.

One of the most apt descriptions of Peterson I've ever heard was from a clinical psychologist and research fellow that performed some assessments on my son. He said that Peterson is basically a YouTube comment section couched in academic language. It sounds good to people who don't know any better, but also don't want to know any better.

Thanks Steuss, I didn't know that he'd had addiction issues.

My assessment is that he's the smartest of the unhinged right-wingers of the world. I'm not really interested in his stated reasons for supporting Trump. I doubt that he's really such a supporter and I'd put money his motivation is entirely his fear of the left; both in terms of welfare state and wokeness equally.

Gadianton wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 01, 2024 11:51 pm

Thanks Steuss, I didn't know that he'd had addiction issues.

My assessment is that he's the smartest of the unhinged right-wingers of the world. I'm not really interested in his stated reasons for supporting Trump. I doubt that he's really such a supporter and I'd put money his motivation is entirely his fear of the left; both in terms of welfare state and wokeness equally.

Given his need to continually be ‘one-upping’ himself in the faux-rage arena in order to keep satisfying his fan base’s ever-increasing requirement and dependence on anger crack, I see his ‘motivation’ as mostly financial.

Yes, he has some cognitive malfunction kicking in, but he also knows which audience will throw lots of money at him for tickling their outrage fetish.

Here is Jordan Peterson and Sam Harris. It appears Sam is getting frustrated with Jordon when he starts jumping around the issue. I’m sure Sam understands where he’s going and the terms Jordan is using and tries to keep him on the ground. I understand Sam Harris as he speaks slowly, and in language the lay person can understand, but not Jordan Peterson. This clip is about 8 minutes long.

https://youtu.be/Jut9hgAw6c0?si=hjWb2XGx_p7tHBDD

Didn't Joseph Goebbels have some complimentary words about Trump when he appeared on the Piers Morgan show?

Doctor Steuss wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 01, 2024 7:44 pm

He was always fringe, but his years of extreme addiction and the experimental Russian opioid coma seems to really have done irreparable damage to his cognitive abilities. Not surprising that with his reduced cognitive abilities, he'd favor Trump, given the wealth of research on people that tend to adhere to pro-Trump and Trump-adjacent ideologies, and their cognitive abilities compared to the general populace.

Yes. I haven't been sure how much his travails have impacted him, but this interview makes it seem like there must have been some impact. He gets confused and puts things rather backwards at times (in terms of reasoning).

I think one of the most interesting studies I've seen thus far on the phenomena was by Lazar Stankovdone on college students (1254), and also included foreign students trying to gain admission into US colleges (1600) in the study. Even with the diverse cultural, ethnic, and geographical diversity presented, reduced cognitive function, difficulty with pattern recognition, reduced vocabulary, and several other factors were successful predictors of pro-Trump ideological adherence.

Statistically speaking, this may be the tendency, but I know plenty of smart people who follow Trump for other reasons, racism actually being one of them.

One of the most apt descriptions of Peterson I've ever heard was from a clinical psychologist and research fellow that performed some assessments on my son. He said that Peterson is basically a YouTube comment section couched in academic language. It sounds good to people who don't know any better, but also don't want to know any better.

I don't know how to characterize this particular outing except as deliberately disingenuous. He attributes high intelligence to Trump, when he can't possibly actually believe that. Trump's problem isn't just that he has an offensive personality; it's also the case that he is dumb as a post, and a thousand examples make that bleedingly obvious. One small example is his complete lack of curiosity. Most of my intelligent friends, even those who voted for Trump, are readers. They read quite a bit in science and history. Trump can't be bothered, and he doesn't seem to care.

Gadianton wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 01, 2024 11:51 pm

Thanks Steuss, I didn't know that he'd had addiction issues.

My assessment is that he's the smartest of the unhinged right-wingers of the world. I'm not really interested in his stated reasons for supporting Trump. I doubt that he's really such a supporter and I'd put money his motivation is entirely his fear of the left; both in terms of welfare state and wokeness equally.

One thing that I have noticed over time is that public figures who criticize one camp of the ideological divide almost inevitably end up in the other camp. At first, I took Peterson to be a guy who was criticizing the extremes on the Left for arguably justifiable reasons. I mean, the stuff that he did to act out his criticism I found to be rude and confrontational, but maybe there was, after all, a point to what he was saying. It seems to me, for example, that in the great discussion of gender everyone is eager to declare a stark, uncompromising position where so much is yet to be understood. Now, Peterson is one who acts like he convinced that he knows and is willing to go out on a limb for more than just the ability to speak freely.

Well, throwing in your lot with the likes of Brand, Gabbard, Ramaswamy, Kennedy and Trump is a definite declaration that you have left civilization. RIP, vestiges of the sanity of Jordan Peterson.

Canpakes wrote:Given his need to continually be ‘one-upping’ himself in the faux-rage arena in order to keep satisfying his fan base’s ever-increasing requirement and dependence on anger crack, I see his ‘motivation’ as mostly financial.

That is true, and that's the correct psychoanalysis. But on the surface, I think he's been pretty consistent with a (naïve) belief in free markets, his belief in belief in God, and his rights to be a white male like Bill. I mean, you're right, that to keep the show going, the tensions must rise and the extremism must increase. Speaking of markets, he has a very superficial but passing understanding, and every debate I've seen him in with a leftist has been mismatched somehow -- either the leftest is a Western Marxist who isn't doing economics, or the leftist knows even less then he does and so he keeps winning as the smartest guy in the room.

Unfortunately, that's also true for left-leaning YouTubers who make their living that way. If Republicans suddenly became sane, then what?

One thing that I have noticed over time is that public figures who criticize one camp of the ideological divide almost inevitably end up in the other camp. At first, I took Peterson to be a guy who was criticizing the extremes on the Left for arguably justifiable reasons. I mean, the stuff that he did to act out his criticism I found to be rude and confrontational, but maybe there was, after all, a point to what he was saying. It seems to me, for example, that in the great discussion of gender everyone is eager to declare a stark, uncompromising position where so much is yet to be understood. Now, Peterson is one who acts like he convinced that he knows and is willing to go out on a limb for more than just the ability to speak freely.

Well, throwing in your lot with the likes of Brand, Gabbard, Ramaswamy, Kennedy and Trump is a definite declaration that you have left civilization. RIP, vestiges of the sanity of Jordan Peterson.

I assume there is some truth to what he was saying. I went to a conservative school and so that's all I know. My left wing friend's kid transferred to a well-regarded state university. He's a tall white guy trying to become a pro athlete. He's weirdly fixated on sports in sort of an asperger way, he's not a "jock" in the social sense like he's outgoing and confident and all that. He's very shy and doesn't really talk. Well, he looks the part, and so in a sociology class he got blindsided, expected to answer for the historical sins of white men. How does he feel about all these bad things white men have done? He's not making it up; he's not political in the least. And all his friends are latino, don't think any of his long-time friends are even white guys.

Yes, supporting Trump outwardly like that would put him in the camp of extremism.

Kishkumen wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 01, 2024 7:03 pm

Molok wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 01, 2024 6:18 pm

Jordan Peterson has a decades long career being a well documented pathological liar. Truth has never been a concern of his.

Interesting. I did not know this. Could you steer me to anything that would fill in the blanks for me?

I could! If you want something to put on in the background while doing other things I'd recommend this :

https://youtu.be/hSNWkRw53Jo?si=bh3OU6AzPL72g4ve

But just to give you the general idea without having to listen to a 3 hour video : Ever since his days as a professor in college he has a nasty habit of treating his conjecture as established fact. Initially, it was not anything worse than an annoying habit, his "lobster metaphor" that was one of his earliest "claim to fames" is based on faulty science, but not worth getting upset over, it's used in service to a pretty basic self help message.

As time has gone on however, his habit of lying has taken him down the right wing pipeline, and his statements have gotten more extreme, to the point of walking right up to the line of eugenics, in some cases. Now his career has made him co workers with people like Matt Walsh and Ben Shapiro, professional grifters.