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On the subject of immigration:
Row Erupts Inside MAGA Base After Trump Says US Needs 600,000 Chinese Students In Its Universities: ‘We Don’t Want Spies’

TOI World Desk | TIMES OF INDIA.COM | Nov 11, 2025


Donald Trump is facing pushback from his own MAGA base after arguing that the United States needs up to 600,000 Chinese students to keep its universities working.

The comments were made during an interview on Fox News, and Republicans were not happy as they argued the idea goes against the conservative movement’s long-held views on China and national security.

The debate took place on Monday when Fox News host Laura Ingraham confronted Trump about remarks he made in August during trade talks with Beijing, where he said the US would allow hundreds of thousands of Chinese students to enter the country to study.

Ingraham told him this was not a “pro-MAGA position” and pointed out that many supporters believe Chinese students “spy on us” and “steal our intellectual property.”

However, Trump defended his stance, arguing that foreign students are essential for universities to survive. “We do have a lot of people coming in from China, and we always have, China and other countries,” he said. “We also have a massive system of colleges and universities, and if we were to cut that in half, which perhaps makes some people happy, you would have half the colleges in the United States go out of business.”

When Ingraham responded with “So? So what?”, Trump insisted it was “a big deal” and said high-paying international students helped keep universities running.

He continued: “We’re taking trillions of dollars from students. You know, the students pay more than double when they come in from most foreign countries. I want to see our school system thrive.”

The remarks stirred a row among MAGA-aligned commentators.

Former national security adviser Michael Flynn condemned the idea, posting on X that allowing “600K Chinese spies” would not help American universities and warning that Beijing already had more than enough leverage. “They’ve been ripping us off for years,” Flynn said. “They have significant advantages over us now and they have zero desire nor intent to make America great again.”

Other MAGA figures have also recently questioned Trump’s foreign policy decisions, including his $40 billion bailout for Argentina, urging him to prioritise domestic issues instead.

The White House has signalled that around 600,000 student visas for Chinese nationals will likely be issued over the next two years, a move that would set a new record while still following trends seen under previous administrations.

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The Trump Administration has announced its plan to address high housing costs.

The plan is to pay 2x the cost of your house to banks in interest, while you are tied to a mortgage that will be longer for most people than the number of years they can work in their life.

But banks will be fine. MAGA will make sure that the billionaires can get their hands on as much of your lifetime earnings as possible.
About the first 15-20 years, you'll basically be paying interest. This doesn't necessarily matter if the market is favorable to sellers. If not, you've not only just been paying rent to the bank, but now your credit is potentially screwed, and you face economic catastrophe if you have to sell for some reason.

Over a decade is a long time to not be acquiring any type of equity.

I can see the appeal in theory. Lowering a mortgage payment a couple hundred bucks opens up the potential of ownership for a lot of people. It also teeters on the edge of a windfall for investors, or another recession trigger.

If the pedophile rapist wanted to decrease costs, he could start by not deliberately and directly causing the cost of building a house to increase substantially, yet again, just like he did last time he was President. Homebuilders (just like any business) aren't in the habit of just eating costs. He could also not keep doing idiotic stuff that jeopardizes the bond markets, reduces America's credit standing, and devalues the dollar.

A 50-year mortgage is basically him taking a dump on your kitchen table, and then proposing a new Febreze plugin scent as a fix. There are a lot of steps that are much more helpful for getting rid of the turd than trying to artificially mask it.

Incidentally, it basically took a few minutes from Trump being shown that photo, to him announcing it as a policy idea. That's terrifying... at least for normal people who haven't allowed the autoimmune disease of MAGA to ravage their cognitive abilities and ethics.
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On the heels of startling new revelations about Trump’s ties to Jeffrey Epstein, we are now moving faster to regime change. Is it time for the tail to wag the dog?

From Axios -

Hegseth announces Operation Southern Spear in "America's neighborhood"

Colin Demarest

Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth on Thursday announced Operation Southern Spear, which he said will target "narco-terrorists" and shield "our homeland from the drugs that are killing our people."

It's not entirely clear whether Hegseth has attached a new label to the ongoing U.S. operations near Venezuela and beyond, or whether this is the starting gun for a new, expanded mission.

  • The U.S. is massing warships — including the world's largest aircraft carrier, the USS Gerald R. Ford — in and around the Caribbean.
  • Strikes on alleged drug-running boats have so far killed at least 80 people, and President Trump has made clear he's considering operations on land.
  • Senior military officials on Wednesday presented Trump with "updated options" for attacking Venezuela but no verdict was reached, CBS reported.
Southern Spear will be led in part by Southern Command, which oversees military action across Central and South America and in the surrounding waters.
  • The head of SOUTHCOM, Navy Adm. Alvin Holsey, is expected to retire in mid-December, roughly one year into the job and years ahead of schedule.
  • Holsey was reportedly moving more cautiously than Hegseth wanted. Democrats have raised questions about the legality of the boat strikes.
"The Western Hemisphere is America's neighborhood — and we will protect it," Hegseth wrote on X.

https://www.axios.com/2025/11/14/hegset ... -caribbean
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On the post below: can someone give me an example from recent decades of a country where a major foreign power has intervened to overthrow a government it did not like, either by direct intervention or by sponsored subversion, and the country in question has as a result ended up with a peaceful and democratic government in place?
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Fri Nov 14, 2025 4:19 am
On the heels of startling new revelations about Trump’s ties to Jeffrey Epstein, we are now moving faster to regime change. Is it time for the tail to wag the dog?

From Axios -

Hegseth announces Operation Southern Spear in "America's neighborhood"

Colin Demarest

Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth on Thursday announced Operation Southern Spear, which he said will target "narco-terrorists" and shield "our homeland from the drugs that are killing our people."

It's not entirely clear whether Hegseth has attached a new label to the ongoing U.S. operations near Venezuela and beyond, or whether this is the starting gun for a new, expanded mission.

  • The U.S. is massing warships — including the world's largest aircraft carrier, the USS Gerald R. Ford — in and around the Caribbean.
  • Strikes on alleged drug-running boats have so far killed at least 80 people, and President Trump has made clear he's considering operations on land.
  • Senior military officials on Wednesday presented Trump with "updated options" for attacking Venezuela but no verdict was reached, CBS reported.
Southern Spear will be led in part by Southern Command, which oversees military action across Central and South America and in the surrounding waters.
  • The head of SOUTHCOM, Navy Adm. Alvin Holsey, is expected to retire in mid-December, roughly one year into the job and years ahead of schedule.
  • Holsey was reportedly moving more cautiously than Hegseth wanted. Democrats have raised questions about the legality of the boat strikes.
"The Western Hemisphere is America's neighborhood — and we will protect it," Hegseth wrote on X.

https://www.axios.com/2025/11/14/hegset ... -caribbean
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FEMA head resigns. Richardson had been hard to reach during Texas floods.
David Richardson resigned Monday after a brief tenure leading the Federal Emergency Management Agency.

David Richardson resigned as acting head of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, ending a brief tenure leading an agency that the Trump administration has publicly expressed a desire to dismantle.

Richardson, who spent about six months as the acting head of the nation’s disaster response agency, has kept a low profile and is known for often being inaccessible, including during the early hours of the flood disaster in Texas over the Fourth of July weekend.

In recent months, five current agency employees said Richardson spent little time in daily operations meetings and shrank away from the role — one that typically demands the administrator be easily reachable. The staffers, like others interviewed for this story and previous coverage, spoke on the condition of anonymity out of fear of retaliation.


Since Trump took office, FEMA has lost as much as a quarter of its workforce, according to multiple officials within the agency. Amid recent changes, dozens of employees in August signed their names to a public letter criticizing the agency’s leadership and warned that it had been operating under leaders who lack the qualifications and authority to manage FEMA’s operations.

Employees also said leadership had eroded the agency’s ability to effectively manage emergencies and other operations, including national security work, pointing specifically to stringent new rules and budget restrictions imposed by Noem, which require her approval for any expenditure over $100,000.


People within the agency had come to understand that Richardson’s time in the role would be limited. An official with knowledge of the situation said the administration had been planning to replace him around the end of this year’s hurricane season.
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Typical DEI hires who don’t WORK for a living, getting HANDOUTS from the GOVERNMENT.
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Retribution means more than just malicious and frivolous prosecution of political enemies. It also means enriching oneself by presenting frivolous claims against the government without receiving any real pushback. Trump and his friends have found a very efficient way to move many more millions of taxpayer dollars directly into their own bank accounts.
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Fears grow of DOJ becoming ‘piggy bank’ for Trump as allies seek lucrative settlements

BY REBECCA BEITSCH 11/23/25 06:00 AM ET


Legal experts and White House critics are worried the Justice Department (DOJ) could become a piggy bank for those with grievances as President Trump and a number of his allies pursue million-dollar settlement claims.

While Trump’s push for $230 million in compensation for two probes into his conduct would be the most lucrative of the suits, others in his orbit are also seeking millions from the DOJ.

That group includes Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), who has said he intends to take advantage of a provision tucked into the bill to reopen the government that allows 10 senators to sue for $1 million after their phone records were obtained by special counsel Jack Smith without notifying them.

The Justice Department also appears to have reversed course in existing settlement disputes with other Trump allies, an unusual move after fighting multimillion-dollar requests.

Prior efforts from Trump’s former National Security Advisor Michael Flynn and former Trump White House lawyer Stefan Passantino to score settlements with the DOJ hit roadblocks in court, but Bloomberg reported the two are now in renewed discussions with the Justice Department.

Flynn’s earlier suit sought $50 million in damages from the DOJ over claims of malicious prosecution. He brought the suit after initially pleading guilty to lying to the FBI as part of special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation. Passantino is seeking a settlement with the DOJ over his treatment by the Jan. 6 committee. He claims his career was hindered after a former client, Cassidy Hutchinson, said he encouraged her to withhold information from the panel.

“It is egregious partisan grifting that Donald Trump has clearly authorized to pay his allies with taxpayer money,” argued Rep. Dan Goldman (D-N.Y.), a former federal prosecutor.


“There are absolutely no grounds for the senators to get any money, Donald Trump to get any money, Michael Flynn — who pled guilty — to get any money, it is a miscarriage of justice and gross abuse of our criminal justice system and taxpayer funds to essentially extort Donald Trump’s own Department of Justice to pay off his buddies,” Goldman told The Hill.

The Justice Department has a judgment fund used to pay out settlements — a limitless pot of money that critics say risks becoming too easily tapped by Trump’s allies.

“The judgment fund is an easy target for this sort of — for lack of a better word — corruption. Because it’s a permanent indefinite appropriation that basically contains as much money as is needed for the United States to pay its debts that are incurred in litigation and there’s no limit on it,” said Rupa Bhattacharyya, who previously served as the top career DOJ official reviewing settlements and who also oversaw the September 11th Victim Compensation Fund.

“Because that fund exists, it sort of is an easy target for people who want to find a place from which to pull money to settle some grievance.”

Critics of Trump see the requests as nothing more than a way to enrich the president and his allies, particularly those connected with probes into two events he continues to rail against: the Mueller investigation and Jan. 6.

Rep. Zoe Lofgren (D-Calif.), a member of the Jan. 6 panel whose actions Passantino has contested, said she sees the settlement talks as an effort to “rip off the taxpayers.”

“These are all activities that were approved judicially. I mean, Flynn pled guilty to a felony, was [later] pardoned. What’s the basis for compensation for wrongdoing? There is none. It’s just a way for greed heads to suck money out of the public treasury at taxpayers’ expense,” she told The Hill.

None of the settlements has thus far been approved and none of the 10 senators who got the green light to launch suits has yet done so. The House unanimously passed a bill to reverse the provision, seeing it as a self-enrichment scheme, but Senate Majority Leader John Thune (R-S.D.) has resisted calls to bring it to the floor.

But the discussions with Flynn and Passantino could signify a shift in DOJ position after the department has previously resisted settlements for the two men.

It’s also surprising given the setbacks the two faced when first making such claims in court.

In December, a federal judge appointed by former President George W. Bush dismissed the malicious prosecution claim brought by Flynn, determining he had not sufficiently supported the claim.

In January, a federal judge in Georgia tossed Passantino’s suit, finding the government couldn’t be held liable for the claims he made under the Federal Tort Claims Act.

“The fact that both cases were dismissed once does suggest that the government has significant legal defenses,” Bhattacharyya told The Hill.

“A court in both cases found the cases subject to dismissal, at least in the first go round. … You would ordinarily expect where the government has significant defenses for the government to play out those defenses before considering any form of settlement.”

The DOJ declined to comment for this story.

The discussions have already prompted one watchdog group to demand documents related to the settlements.

Democracy Forward on Wednesday filed a series of public records requests related to the ongoing discussions with Flynn and Passantino.

“The American people deserve to know whether the Trump-Vance administration is seeking to use public authority and taxpayer money to benefit politically connected insiders,” said Skye Perryman, president of Democracy Forward, in a statement.

“These secret discussions and the possibility of enormous tax-payer funded payments to former officials close to the president raise profound ethical, constitutional, and public-integrity concerns.”

Jesse Binnall, an attorney for both Flynn and Passantino, described both men’s suits as a push for justice after both men were denied opportunities.

Of Flynn, Binnall said that “rogue FBI actors orchestrated a politically motivated hoax to attempt to shatter his life, all while staging a soft coup against President Trump, draining millions in lost opportunities and legal fees from Flynn while the government lavished payouts on those very bad-faith saboteurs. We hope that the mediation is a step toward justice.”

Meanwhile Passantino’s “30-year career of service and integrity was unblemished until zealots on the January 6 Unselect Committee peddled fabricated claims against him to advance a political agenda,” Binnall said.

“Their actions destroyed his reputation, threatened his livelihood, and cost him millions—while protecting their enablers. His lawsuit seeks accountability, warning that congressional show trials will face scrutiny,” he added.

The settlement given to the family of Ashli Babbitt, who was killed after she entered the Capitol on Jan. 6, could also be taken as a positive sign for those pursuing settlement claims.

In June, the Justice Department agreed to settle a wrongful death claim filed by the family to the tune of $4.75 million.

The officer who shot Babbitt was cleared of any wrongdoing, and while Bhattacharyya said it’s not unusual for the government to settle wrongful death cases, some aspects of the Babbitt settlement gave her pause.

“I was surprised by the amount, I think, given how early it was in the case before there had been any really significant discovery,” she said, as the case was otherwise set to go to trial in 2026.

“It usually happens a little bit later in the process, once there’s been an opportunity to really get discovery and understand what the facts were and what was going on. And a lot of that hadn’t happened yet. … So I was surprised by the timing, and I was surprised by the amount.”

Goldman said that while Flynn and Passantino had already pushed for settlements, the Babbitt agreement “opened the floodgates for people to realize that under Donald Trump the Department of Justice is a piggybank.”

Bhattacharyya said the mounting requests show the importance of having career staff review settlement demands.

“This is why it is so critically important that you have people at the department making decisions who are basing those decisions on good faith assessments of what the government’s legal risk is and when and how taxpayer money should be spent to settle claims brought by people who are claiming the government injured them. That’s why you have career staff who generally make these decisions, or at least make the underlying recommendations,” she said.

“Like anything else in government, it depends on good faith actors. If you don’t have good faith actors, then things can go bad really fast.”

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canpakes wrote:
Sun Nov 23, 2025 3:49 pm
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Legal experts and White House critics :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
crap never gets old. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Got the Ven diagram of the legal experts that said Trump was going to jail? Wonder if it's the same folks.

Whiskey/Binger, you can’t add extra text/emojis within quoted material from another post. Keep quotes as they were given by the original author. You’ve been warned by another moderator about this in past days so this will be my only warning. Thanks! -c-
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The Retribution Tour has hit a small snag. From the WasJ:
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Comey and James Cases Dismissed After Judge Finds Prosecutor Wasn’t Properly Appointed
Decisions deal a blow to President Trump’s efforts to prosecute his perceived political adversaries

A federal judge on Monday dismissed criminal charges against both former FBI Director James Comey and New York Attorney General Letitia James, ruling that the Trump-appointed prosecutor who brought them was unlawfully serving in the role.

The decisions from Judge Cameron McGowan Currie deal a significant setback to the Justice Department, which brought charges against Comey and James within weeks of President Trump publicly calling on Attorney General Pam Bondi to prosecute several of his prominent critics.
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