We should embrace the death of Democracy

[Gadianton]

Myself, working with and managing undocumented and permitted (work visas and green card) immigrants every day can tell you a large percentage of people who live here

So you voted to mass deport your coworkers. Pretty cool.

[Markk]

Myself, working with and managing undocumented and permitted (work visas and green card) immigrants every day can tell you a large percentage of people who live here

So you voted to mass deport your coworkers. Pretty cool.

Or you can address what Newsweek wrote Gad? Are you able to address that?

I doubt if you can remotely grasp what is going on here in California, and understand the impact of illegal immigration. But, if it is not addressed, and hard discissions made, it is coming your way, then you will get it. If you think these folks care about me, you, or our country, you are are extremely ignorant. Look at our streets and parks...etc.

Where do you live Gad? How many illegal immigrants living off the system live in your neighborhood?

I voted to get immigration under control. To fight against the cartel and their presence from "my" neighborhood and streets. One high ranking cartel member was arrested a few days ago about 30 minutes from my home...it is everywhere. The city I grew up in, a Mormon colony, was in the 70's, in the top ten best places to live in in the US...today...this is it, and illegal immigration is a huge part of it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oc3AQk7lgTA Note the Star Dust roller rink was about 5 blocks from my house and the first place I held a girls hand. It is a junkie's paradise these days. I would love for you to come here and let me give you a tour.

You have no idea what is going on here, or you just don't care. But yes, if my co-workers are here illegally they need to go home and do things right...why am I wrong? Should we just have open borders?

https://abc7ny.com/post/cristian-fernan ... /15573241/

[Moksha]

I would love for you to come here and let me give you a tour.

It is a shame what has happened to San Bernadino.

[Markk]

I would love for you to come here and let me give you a tour.

It is a shame what has happened to San Bernadino.

Well, it is what happened to California....Anaheim, Santa Anna, Riverside, Pomona, Azusa, Wittier, Hemet, Fontana, and basically all of east LA, South Central, Korea Town, east Down Town (skid row) etc ...etc. This is California and it not getting better any time soon, if ever.

Ever been to south San Diego? And not the Zoo, but where people live? when you go to Walgreens do you have to ask the clerk to unlock the cases for toothpaste and batteries?

I am curious...where do you live Moksha? Honestly, anyone that wants a tour let me know and I will give you a grand tour. I'll take you to lunch, on me, to Cesar Chavez and Soto and give you a reality check.

[Moksha]

I feel even worse for San Francisco. That used to be so many people's favorite city. It is a shame they never built many outdoor public toilets like Tokyo.

[Markk]

I feel even worse for San Francisco. That used to be so many people's favorite city. It is a shame they never built many outdoor public toilets like Tokyo.

They did and do, but people with mental heath issues and drug addictions won't use them much, at least for what they are intended for. You have obviously never experienced places like LA, San Francisco, or any of these major cities with addiction and homeless issues. Even San Diego is a mess, they hide it better that other cities I am familiar with, but you can't walk in most places downtown without smelling urine, and the alleys are full of human crap in the corners and behind the dumpsters. There are beaches you go to, and others you don't if you take your kids or grand kids that will need to use the restroom.

In LA the RR program is a joke, they just turn into "homes" for junkies and for sex. When a chronically homeless person needs to go to the bathroom, if the have a tent, or card board pallet shelter they just step out and go in the street. If they are just wandering the streets they just go when they have to go, period. These folks are mentally ill or addicted for the every most part, if not help and restrooms are available at shelters.

This is also only addressing the downtown areas, it does not address the neighborhoods and alleys in may too many areas. Again a tour would enlighten you. A few years ago I went to a pre job walk at one of the oldest Black churches in South Central, the Reverend King taught, and it was designed by a very famous architect (Paul R. Williams)....I pulled in and parked in front of the church and a person walking down the street stopped in front of my truck, looked at me then turned and pee'd on the church wall. One of the majors discussion was crime, safe construction parking, and security. No buildings like these can have outdoor electrical outlets or accessible hose bibs because they charge their free phones and take "baths" and leave the water running.

by the way I am writing this watching the news, and I just heard 200 people a day are dying of fentanyl, that in no doubt mainly coming over the southern borders....

http://www.secondbaptistchurchla.org/

https://www.sfpublicworks.org/services/public-toilets

https://lapublicpress.org/2023/07/why-d ... ets-in-la/

[canpakes]

So you voted to mass deport your coworkers. Pretty cool.

Where do you live Gad? How many illegal immigrants living off the system live in your neighborhood?

Markk, I have a couple of questions for you.

1. Given that illegals make up a certain percentage of your work force, would you prefer that an alternative would be made available by the incoming Administration that streamlined or fast- tracked the citizenship process for employed non-citizens?

2. Would you consider penalties levied against employers who hire illegals to be a fair consequence of having hired them?

I’m not asking either question to ‘trap’ you within any particular response. I am genuinely curious how folks who are ‘in favor’ of a mass deportation effort view other aspects of the situation.

Disclaimer: Yes, I did live in CA for a while. No, I do not work for any Federal agency. : )

[Gadianton]

I doubt if you can remotely grasp what is going on here in California, and understand the impact of illegal immigration

Where do you live Gad? How many illegal immigrants living off the system live in your neighborhood?

I have lived in CA for 25 years over my lifetime. I will probably end up living there again. Our charter school was mostly Hispanic, and they weren't necessarily my friends. A group of Hispanic women reported me one day for suspicious behavior and I had a big run-in with security. Of course it was racism and sexism. What's a white male doing at a Charter school ten minutes before the bell sounds? The thought did occur to me of how many of their children my property tax money was paying the tuition for. A few other good stories too. But I can separate my personal life from the bigger picture.

As a kid who went to public schools with a big Hispanic element, they were all my friends. My parents rushed us to Utah over fears of the Hispanic gangs but I would have switched back without a second thought. So it goes both ways.

I voted to get immigration under control.

I've seen no messaging about getting immigration under control. Only about mass deportations, and that's because the anger that drives images of army trucks rounding up migrant families and detaining or booting them is what gets folks like you excited. That's why the messaging has nothing to do with serious policy, because it appeals to the anger within the hearts of bad people. Not to mention the fact that you voted for the same guy who had 4 years to get immigration under control and mostly failed.

What's this term's "wall" grift going to be? A mass holding facility in Texas?

One high ranking cartel member was arrested a few days ago about 30 minutes from my home

And Biden hasn't pardoned him already, imagine that. Do you know how deep the mafia is ingrained within the system back east? I've never lived back east, but I worked for a company that was breaking into east coast markets and it was unreal. I thought that stuff was just for TV. I doubt there are anywhere near the persistent levels of Italian illegals, yet, somehow, the mafia still exists and has all kinds of power. The legal status of immigrants isn't going to change the fundamental problems of crime.

It is a junkie's paradise these days

scapegoating. Just like in Nazi Germany. The only difference is, in Nazi Germany, Hitler tried for years to build up hatred of Jews while people resisted, whereas here, you and your pals have the narrative ready to go and Trump just amplifies it.

So your coworker are coming over the border, working their asses off while you get paid 20x what they do, and then go live in the streets and do drugs? Looking at some CA stats here, Latinos are slightly lower that other races in terms of homelessness, and in terms of Opioid use, Latinos are lower than all but Asians. White Opioid hospital instances are 2.5x Latino.

As far as getting the drugs from point A to point B, supply and demand will find a way to meet, good luck stopping it, especially by spending vast quantities of money jailing your coworkers. Most of the problems you are describing have to do with problems that are universal and have nothing specifically to do with illegal immigration.

they need to go home and do things right.

There is no right way to do it. You should know that. And Trump's first term plans so far only make the "right way" more unobtainable, making it more certain the "wrong way" will be opted for.

[Markk]

CP wrote...1. Given that illegals make up a certain percentage of your work force, would you prefer that an alternative would be made available by the incoming Administration that streamlined or fast- tracked the citizenship process for employed non-citizens?

No not now. When and if we get everything under control and have the means to manage it sure, but not so much fast tracked. It is in my opinion a privilege not a right.

CP wrote 2. Would you consider penalties levied against employers who hire illegals to be a fair consequence of having hired them?

Absolutely.

Many employers would rather not hire them, at least in construction. The problem is if they don't, they would never win a bid in that everybody does it. It is a vicious reality. And a reality of it is that skilled labor is almost impossible to find these days on privately funded projects, and when you do find them, you can't keep them in that the projects can't afford their wages because of underbidding using a lower class of "skilled" labor that will work for less. And in the end profits are down because or re-work and lack of productivity.

It gets even more complicated with government contracting and prevailing wages.

Why would you think you might trap me? I have nothing to hide.

Where did you live in CA and what years?

[Markk]

I have lived in CA for 25 years over my lifetime. I will probably end up living there again. Our charter school was mostly Hispanic, and they weren't necessarily my friends. A group of Hispanic women reported me one day for suspicious behavior and I had a big run-in with security. Of course it was racism and sexism. What's a white male doing at a Charter school ten minutes before the bell sounds? The thought did occur to me of how many of their children my property tax money was paying the tuition for. A few other good stories too. But I can separate my personal life from the bigger picture.

As a kid who went to public schools with a big Hispanic element, they were all my friends. My parents rushed us to Utah over fears of the Hispanic gangs but I would have switched back without a second thought. So it goes both ways.

Where did you live and what years?