The hypocritical life of a young Democratic socialist

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ajax18 wrote:
Tue Jul 29, 2025 2:34 pm
Why does one little candidate for mayor cause you so much concern?
Because the idiotic white liberals who voted a communist into power will flee to Florida without suffering the necessary consequences to cure them of their communism. Like Mamdani, they see no contradiction in being obscenely wealthy while making vows to tax working middle class people to pay for their welfare queen constituency. So what if they're not willing give away a cent of their own money. If they're stealing from working class men and women, that makes them a saint in the liberal religion. As we learned during COVID, just because Death Santis controls Florida, doesn't mean that liberals aren't attracted to the state. DeSantis needs to make the state off limits to anyone who still votes Democrat.
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Xenophon wrote:
Tue Jul 29, 2025 3:10 pm
ajax18 wrote:
Tue Jul 29, 2025 2:34 pm
Because the idiotic white liberals who voted a communist into power will flee to Florida without suffering the necessary consequences to cure them of their communism. Like Mamdani, they see no contradiction in being obscenely wealthy while making vows to tax working middle class people to pay for their welfare queen constituency. So what if they're not willing give away a cent of their own money. If they're stealing from working class men and women, that makes them a saint in the liberal religion. As we learned during COVID, just because Death Santis controls Florida, doesn't mean that liberals aren't attracted to the state. DeSantis needs to make the state off limits to anyone who still votes Democrat.
First, you should probably be glad for the migration from places like New York and Cali. They've been a valuable part of the expanding tax bases for both Texas and Florida. When they flee they typically have been bringing above average wages with them.

Second, are you certain the ones fleeing to Florida are the same ones that voted for him? Florida has voted increasingly Republican over the years and I'd have to go back and dig it up but sometime around 2020 the state had more registered Republicans than Democrats. Doesn't look like these "white liberals" are doing a very good job getting that "communism" in there.

So you got more money for your state with no negative impact to your team's record... what is the problem again?
That is a good point. Many of the people coming down are conservative working people looking to flee communism rather than bring it with them. This includes the Cubans coming up as well.
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AjaxAH wrote: So what if they're not willing give away a cent of their own money.
This is you making up a scenario. You have no evidence that wealthy white people aren't willing to pay more taxes and stay in New York, and that they will flee to Florida immediately.

Here's a fundamental problem with your position. You don't understand what a collective action problem is.

A lot of people might be willing to give more of their money away to a good cause if there are others who are also willing to give to the cause. Free rider problems are real. Some rich people may "give" generously out of principle, but many others might hold back, believing the cause is just, but they aren't going to be the sucker. See, Ajax, if I sell all that I have, which is actually YOUR commandment as a Christian not mine as an atheist, and I give it all to the poor, it won't make a dent. That's true even for a very rich person. But, if we all agree to an aggressive level of giving, then the problem is far more tractable. That's why helping the needy really must be done through taxes and not just "on your honor" charity.

A simple example might be this: suppose this board isn't able to raise enough money to continue. If I make an announcement that I will donate 100$ if I can get two other people to commit to donating 100$ more, then it is very likely the money will be raised quickly. That's because nobody, even a generous person, wants to be taken advantage of and feel like they are shouldering the load while everyone else rides free.

And by the way, I should point it out again, you know those dirtbags at the Heritage Foundation who have handed your disgusting leader his marching orders for essentially, turning the country into a dictatorship? EVEN THEY AGREE WITH ME MORE THAN THEY AGREE WITH YOU.

https://www.heritage.org/index/

Their top country list for economic freedom somehow always features countries that are "socialist" by your definition (and likely theirs), or at least far more social-democratic than the US is. It's profoundly weird, but I have been following them for years unlike you (who is committed to know as little about anything outside your profession as possible). There are many countries that do pretty well and that are socialist by your definition, there is no country that has ever existed to my knowledge that is libertarian the way you (or likely even heritage) imagines it should be, and that has ever made a Heritage top spot for economic freedom.
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Gadianton wrote:
Wed Jul 30, 2025 2:51 am
AjaxAH wrote: So what if they're not willing give away a cent of their own money.
This is you making up a scenario. You have no evidence that wealthy white people aren't willing to pay more taxes and stay in New York, and that they will flee to Florida immediately.

Here's a fundamental problem with your position. You don't understand what a collective action problem is.

A lot of people might be willing to give more of their money away to a good cause if there are others who are also willing to give to the cause. Free rider problems are real. Some rich people may "give" generously out of principle, but many others might hold back, believing the cause is just, but they aren't going to be the sucker. See, Ajax, if I sell all that I have, which is actually YOUR commandment as a Christian not mine as an atheist, and I give it all to the poor, it won't make a dent. That's true even for a very rich person. But, if we all agree to an aggressive level of giving, then the problem is far more tractable. That's why helping the needy really must be done through taxes and not just "on your honor" charity.

A simple example might be this: suppose this board isn't able to raise enough money to continue. If I make an announcement that I will donate 100$ if I can get two other people to commit to donating 100$ more, then it is very likely the money will be raised quickly. That's because nobody, even a generous person, wants to be taken advantage of and feel like they are shouldering the load while everyone else rides free.

And by the way, I should point it out again, you know those dirtbags at the Heritage Foundation who have handed your disgusting leader his marching orders for essentially, turning the country into a dictatorship? EVEN THEY AGREE WITH ME MORE THAN THEY AGREE WITH YOU.

https://www.heritage.org/index/

Their top country list for economic freedom somehow always features countries that are "socialist" by your definition (and likely theirs), or at least far more social-democratic than the US is. It's profoundly weird, but I have been following them for years unlike you (who is committed to know as little about anything outside your profession as possible). There are many countries that do pretty well and that are socialist by your definition, there is no country that has ever existed to my knowledge that is libertarian the way you (or likely even heritage) imagines it should be, and that has ever made a Heritage top spot for economic freedom.
Good points, Gad.

So, ajax, can you explain why it is that the countries rated highest in economic freedom are all social democracies, and the countries with the highest happiness index are also social democracies, and the United States doesn't rank even in the highest 25 the happiness index?
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Gadianton wrote:
Mon Jul 28, 2025 11:49 pm
That was pretty desperate Ajax. Nothing in the article implies Mamdani's populism isn't sincere. So he's rich and hasn't given all his money to the poor.

When you have a serious case for corruption let me know. I'll only be interested if the corruption enriches Mamdani by 1/1000th the level that Trump's corruption has enriched himself.

Or if there's serious evidence that he isn't going to really try to make his stated programs work.
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Here’s the reality, and I recognize that progressives such as yourself, Dr. CamnPP and Bishop Schmo, may find it challenging to confront it, but I will explain it to you nonetheless. For a decade, the Democratic Party has attempted every possible tactic against Donald Trump, yet nothing they did could halt his momentum. With crooked judges being overturned by the Supreme Court, the Democrat party finds itself with nothing left to counter Trump. Trump is dismantling progressivism and reversing the initiatives that progressives implemented, including controversial policies such as the notion that men can become women. He is also rolling back DEI laws and policies, effectively erasing aspects associated with progressivism. The Democrats appear to be in a state of desperation, now supporting candidates with communist affiliations. This reflects a significant decline, and Trump is poised to frame the 2026 elections around the notion of the Democratic Party transforming into a communist entity if the American people choose to elect Democrats in that year.

The contemporary Democratic Party is in disarray, Trump has effectively dismantled it, transforming it into a chaotic environment that has driven many Democrats to the brink of insanity. Individuals who believe they possess superior intelligence often overlook the reality that, for some time now, they have mistakenly viewed Trump as the leader of the Republican Party. It seems they fail to grasp that he has been primarily focused on shaping the narrative around the Democrats, effectively leading them into a trap.

What is it like to share the same lack of understanding as your progressive friends, failing to realize that Trump often makes statements daily to provoke reactions from Democrats and the media, allowing him to steer the narrative? You're giving him exactly what he wants! And he will make the democrats pay for their idiocy in 2026.

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This is the first Hound post I've read in some time. Unfortunately, it doesn't respond to my comments. If Hound decides to come back with evidence that Mamdani isn't sincere in his vision for New York or with substantial reasons why any of his stated programs won't work, I will review those arguments.

Quick question Hound; unrelated: What do you think about a Trump supporter who has never served in the military creating a sock puppet on a message board who claims to be a disabled vet? Not only is the character a disabled vet, but lambasts government Veteran programs for not working, while claiming self-reliance. The point being made is that we should do away with Veteran programs as Trump and Musk have done, and this is at the behest of Veterans themselves.
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Gadianton wrote:
Wed Jul 30, 2025 1:13 pm
This is the first Hound post I've read in some time. Unfortunately, it doesn't respond to my comments. If Hound decides to come back with evidence that Mamdani isn't sincere in his vision for New York or with substantial reasons why any of his stated programs won't work, I will review those arguments.

Quick question Hound; unrelated: What do you think about a Trump supporter who has never served in the military creating a sock puppet on a message board who claims to be a disabled vet? Not only is the character a disabled vet, but lambasts government Veteran programs for not working, while claiming self-reliance. The point being made is that we should do away with Veteran programs as Trump and Musk have done, and this is at the behest of Veterans themselves.
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Gunnar wrote:So, ajax, can you explain why it is that the countries rated highest in economic freedom are all social democracies, and the countries with the highest happiness index are also social democracies, and the United States doesn't rank even in the highest 25 the happiness index?
Careful Gunnar, I wouldn't want to confuse Heritage's potentially nonsense studies with serious efforts to rank a country's happiness by legitimate institutions. Even though I've read about their methods, I'm still not sure what they mean exactly by "economic freedom". I'm just fascinated with the results as I've followed their results and justifications over many years. Heritage would not increase the rank of any country because of their socialist programs; any socialist program is a hinderance, and would lower the rank. But whatever it is that they like, social-democratic countries defy the odds and produce enough of that to win consistently. Can Ajax name a successful country that is not Democratic Socialist? No, he can't. Neither can Hound. Well, if the Heritage Foundation can't even come up with a successful country that isn't Democratic Socialist then who can?
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Gunnar wrote:I don't think HoH cares about anything other than maximizing the transfer of wealth and power from minorities, and the poor and middle classes to the wealthiest and most influential and ultra conservative white supremacist oligarchs.
I must somewhat disagree. I don't think HoH has well defined opinions about economic matters. Hound is a culture warrior through and through, he cares about trans athletes and perceived sins of liberal whites who take up the cause for out-groups.
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Gadianton wrote:
Wed Jul 30, 2025 1:37 pm
Gunnar wrote:So, ajax, can you explain why it is that the countries rated highest in economic freedom are all social democracies, and the countries with the highest happiness index are also social democracies, and the United States doesn't rank even in the highest 25 the happiness index?
Careful Gunnar, I wouldn't want to confuse Heritage's potentially nonsense studies with serious efforts to rank a country's happiness by legitimate institutions. Even though I've read about their methods, I'm still not sure what they mean exactly by "economic freedom". I'm just fascinated with the results as I've followed their results and justifications over many years. Heritage would not increase the rank of any country because of their socialist programs; any socialist program is a hinderance, and would lower the rank. But whatever it is that they like, social-democratic countries defy the odds and produce enough of that to win consistently. Can Ajax name a successful country that is not Democratic Socialist? No, he can't. Neither can Hound. Well, if the Heritage Foundation can't even come up with a successful country that isn't Democratic Socialist then who can?
Yes, I realize that Heritage probably is not particularly overjoyed by having to admit the fact that Democrat Socialist countries seem to be so successful, contrary to what they would rather expect or see.
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