AjaxAH wrote: So what if they're not willing give away a cent of their own money.
This is you making up a scenario. You have no evidence that wealthy white people aren't willing to pay more taxes and stay in New York, and that they will flee to Florida immediately.
Here's a fundamental problem with your position. You don't understand what a collective action problem is.
A lot of people might be willing to give more of their money away to a good cause if there are others who are also willing to give to the cause. Free rider problems are real. Some rich people may "give" generously out of principle, but many others might hold back, believing the cause is just, but they aren't going to be the sucker. See, Ajax, if I sell all that I have, which is actually YOUR commandment as a Christian not mine as an atheist, and I give it all to the poor, it won't make a dent. That's true even for a very rich person. But, if we all agree to an aggressive level of giving, then the problem is far more tractable. That's why helping the needy really must be done through taxes and not just "on your honor" charity.
A simple example might be this: suppose this board isn't able to raise enough money to continue. If I make an announcement that I will donate 100$ if I can get two other people to commit to donating 100$ more, then it is very likely the money will be raised quickly. That's because nobody, even a generous person, wants to be taken advantage of and feel like they are shouldering the load while everyone else rides free.
And by the way, I should point it out again, you know those dirtbags at the Heritage Foundation who have handed your disgusting leader his marching orders for essentially, turning the country into a dictatorship? EVEN THEY AGREE WITH ME MORE THAN THEY AGREE WITH YOU.
https://www.heritage.org/index/
Their top country list for economic freedom somehow always features countries that are "socialist" by your definition (and likely theirs), or at least far more social-democratic than the US is. It's profoundly weird, but I have been following them for years unlike you (who is committed to know as little about anything outside your profession as possible). There are many countries that do pretty well and that are socialist by your definition, there is no country that has ever existed to my knowledge that is libertarian the way you (or likely even heritage) imagines it should be, and that has ever made a Heritage top spot for economic freedom.
Lost Gospel of Thomas 1:8 - And Jesus said, "what about the Pharisees? They did it too! Wherefore, we shall do it even more!"