Hope from our Christian Friends

[Whiskey]

I mean, it's a lot of assertions about the mind of an asserted god, but I appreciate the message. Within the context of Christianity, he's correct.

MAGAte Christians are into performance living. They are about not sacrificing anything for other people except their integrity.

I couldn't agree more! Nothing could be more antithetical to the teachings of Christ as expressed in the Christian Bible than most of what Trump and his MAGA followers espouse and do.

So, are the disciples of Schumer better Christians?

[Gunnar]

I couldn't agree more! Nothing could be more antithetical to the teachings of Christ as expressed in the Christian Bible than most of what Trump and his MAGA followers espouse and do.

So, are the disciples of Schumer better Christians?

Without a doubt, even though they are not perfect either. But they don't advocate trillions of dollars in tax cuts for the wealthiest elite at expense of taking away essential benefits from the poorest, including health benefits without which many thousands or even millions cannot afford lifesaving healthcare.

[Jersey Girl]

HERE. This right here. It's what I've been saying on this board for a long time now including concern about Franklin Graham.

False Christianity
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gbZRTczLYQ

Excellent post! I agree that Fr. David has correctly identified the essential core of honest, practical and honorable religion--as I like to say, "the baby that must not be thrown out with the bathwater!"

Every single principle mentioned (what Christians are called to do) was listed in the thread I did about violating Christian principles in which I posted scripture refs for each principle. These are not just ideas. These are non-negotiable commands issued by Jesus himself.

We're free to violate them and that's what the Trump admin does all the time while Christian Nationalists endorse it. In that case, they are as guilty as the Trump admin is of violating those commandments from Christ himself.

And what is up with Franklin Graham? You would think he'd have the ability to discern what's coming out of the administration and examine it in light of scripture. I often wonder what his father would think of him or would he have hitched his spiritual wagon to Christian Nationalism as well? It's terrible and so disturbing, Gunnar. Franklin Graham is also sabotaging his own Samaritan's Purse ministry with his support of the Trump admin. How damaging is that?

[Jersey Girl]

I couldn't agree more! Nothing could be more antithetical to the teachings of Christ as expressed in the Christian Bible than most of what Trump and his MAGA followers espouse and do.

So, are the disciples of Schumer better Christians?

Who exactly are his disciples? Do they follow the teachings of Jesus and if so, how?

[Whiskey]

So, are the disciples of Schumer better Christians?

Who exactly are his disciples? Do they follow the teachings of Jesus and if so, how?

Hell if I know. That is why I asked.

[canpakes]

Related to your thoughts here, Jersey Girl, this (below) was part of a letter issued by the Pope several months back.

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4. I have followed closely the major crisis that is taking place in the United States with the initiation of a program of mass deportations. The rightly formed conscience cannot fail to make a critical judgment and express its disagreement with any measure that tacitly or explicitly identifies the illegal status of some migrants with criminality. At the same time, one must recognize the right of a nation to defend itself and keep communities safe from those who have committed violent or serious crimes while in the country or prior to arrival. That said, the act of deporting people who in many cases have left their own land for reasons of extreme poverty, insecurity, exploitation, persecution or serious deterioration of the environment, damages the dignity of many men and women, and of entire families, and places them in a state of particular vulnerability and defenselessness.

5. This is not a minor issue: an authentic rule of law is verified precisely in the dignified treatment that all people deserve, especially the poorest and most marginalized. The true common good is promoted when society and government, with creativity and strict respect for the rights of all — as I have affirmed on numerous occasions — welcomes, protects, promotes and integrates the most fragile, unprotected and vulnerable. This does not impede the development of a policy that regulates orderly and legal migration. However, this development cannot come about through the privilege of some and the sacrifice of others. What is built on the basis of force, and not on the truth about the equal dignity of every human being, begins badly and will end badly.

6. Christians know very well that it is only by affirming the infinite dignity of all that our own identity as persons and as communities reaches its maturity. Christian love is not a concentric expansion of interests that little by little extend to other persons and groups. In other words: the human person is not a mere individual, relatively expansive, with some philanthropic feelings! The human person is a subject with dignity who, through the constitutive relationship with all, especially with the poorest, can gradually mature in his identity and vocation. The true ordo amoris that must be promoted is that which we discover by meditating constantly on the parable of the “Good Samaritan” (cf. Lk 10:25-37), that is, by meditating on the love that builds a fraternity open to all, without exception. [3]

7. But worrying about personal, community or national identity, apart from these considerations, easily introduces an ideological criterion that distorts social life and imposes the will of the strongest as the criterion of truth.
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https://www.vatican.va/content/francesc ... i-usa.html

[msnobody]

I think Trump’s thought bubbles should often not become speech bubbles. He is a sinner just like the rest of us, and on his own spiritual journey as well. He does have his own temperament which could be thought of as offensive to some. Nevertheless, God has allowed him to be our president, just as he has allowed others.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

I think Trump’s thought bubbles should often not become speech bubbles. He is a sinner just like the rest of us, and on his own spiritual journey as well. He does have his own temperament which could be thought of as offensive to some. Nevertheless, God has allowed him to be our president, just as he has allowed others.

So, God allows everything? Boy, that’s a real problem of evil, a paradox even. It’s the Triad being inconsistent if you ask me.

[Jersey Girl]

I think Trump’s thought bubbles should often not become speech bubbles. He is a sinner just like the rest of us, and on his own spiritual journey as well. He does have his own temperament which could be thought of as offensive to some. Nevertheless, God has allowed him to be our president, just as he has allowed others.

So, God allows everything? Boy, that’s a real problem of evil, a paradox even. It’s the Triad being inconsistent if you ask me.

I don't see it as a problem.

[Chap]

I think Trump’s thought bubbles should often not become speech bubbles. He is a sinner just like the rest of us, and on his own spiritual journey as well. He does have his own temperament which could be thought of as offensive to some. Nevertheless, God has allowed him to be our president, just as he has allowed others.

OK, you are, as a Christian, exercising unlimited charity towards Trump.

But please be frank: when you say:

He does have his own temperament which could be thought of as offensive to some.

Do YOU not find his 'temperament' (with all the lies, the nasty attitude towards women, the naked greed and lust for unlimited power and access to wealth in despite of all constitutional restraints) offensive?

Just to remind you, Jesus did not hold back in calling out wickedness when he saw it. He did not say of the Pharisees that 'their temperament could be thought of as offensive to some', but hit them right between the eyes as in Matthew 23:33 "Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?".