Challenge to Ajax and Subgenius

The Off-Topic forum for anything non-LDS related, such as sports or politics. Rated PG through PG-13.
Gunnar
God
Posts: 2338
Joined: Thu Oct 29, 2020 6:32 pm
Location: California

Re: Challenge to Ajax and Subgenius

Post by Gunnar »

Chap wrote:
Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:39 pm
If fact checking makes you feel uncomfortable, maybe you need to ask why that is.
Exactly!
No precept or claim is more suspect or more likely to be false than one that can only be supported by invoking the claim of Divine authority for it--no matter who or what claims such authority.
User avatar
Some Schmo
God
Posts: 2466
Joined: Wed Oct 28, 2020 3:21 am

Re: Challenge to Ajax and Subgenius

Post by Some Schmo »

ajax18 wrote:
Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:38 pm
Fact checks are politically biased and have lost credibility.
When? Right around the time they disabused your BS? What a coincidence.

It's strange how everyone who refuses to believe nonsense is "politically biased." I wonder if there's an alternative explanation.
ajax18 wrote:
Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:38 pm
When we get our own networks, we'll exercise our rights as a private company to ban you just as Facebook and Twitter has done to us.
Has ajax taken up comedy? This genuinely made me laugh.

I'm just trying to imagine who's going to be upset by being cut off from posting on a site that only encourages BS. Who's in touch with reality and also desires visiting a nonsense platform in the first place?

Oh look... there's the site all the nitwits banned from Twitter and Facebook went. I have got to register...!

Yeah, doesn't seem likely.
Religion is for people whose existential fear is greater than their common sense.

The god idea is popular with desperate people.
Gunnar
God
Posts: 2338
Joined: Thu Oct 29, 2020 6:32 pm
Location: California

Re: Challenge to Ajax and Subgenius

Post by Gunnar »

MeDotOrg wrote:
Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:53 pm
One of my favorite quotes is Never let your sense of morals get in the way of doing what's right. I would modify that slightly and say Never let your ideology prevent you from doing what works. If someone asks if I'm a Capitalist or a Socialist, the answer is I'm a pragmatist. Neither is the right answer all of the time. Countries should base their economic systems on what works. The answer is admitedly complicated, and defining what works is the rub. For so many years we have looked at the Dow Jones and NASDAQ as defining how we are doing. But for the vast majority of Americans, who don't scan the Dow at the end of every day, there are other measures of happiness like health care, sick days, good public transportation.

I was thinking tonight that a lot of the functions that we are now asking of government are things that we used to ask of unions. The cost of what we think of as Socialism was padded into prices we paid when we bought things tjat were Union made. As global supply chains have decimated the power of local unions, the quality of life crept down for working Americans, and the Union perks of their fathers and grandfathers are long gone.

It's funny, but when Communist countries start experimenting with Capitalism, there are invariably those who complain of backsliding, of not being true to the revolution. Economic systems should exist to serve us, not the other way 'round.
Right on! And, as usual, you said it all better than I could! :) I especially like " Never let your ideology prevent you from doing what works." I have long believed that to be true.
Last edited by Gunnar on Wed Jan 20, 2021 8:29 pm, edited 2 times in total.
No precept or claim is more suspect or more likely to be false than one that can only be supported by invoking the claim of Divine authority for it--no matter who or what claims such authority.
User avatar
Doctor CamNC4Me
God
Posts: 8979
Joined: Wed Oct 28, 2020 2:04 am

Re: Challenge to Ajax and Subgenius

Post by Doctor CamNC4Me »

Good Lord, Xanax sounds like a literal damned 14-year-old right now.

Image

- Doc
Last edited by Doctor CamNC4Me on Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:15 am, edited 1 time in total.
Hugh Nibley claimed he bumped into Adolf Hitler, Albert Einstein, Winston Churchill, Gertrude Stein, and the Grand Duke Vladimir Romanoff. Dishonesty is baked into Mormonism.
User avatar
Some Schmo
God
Posts: 2466
Joined: Wed Oct 28, 2020 3:21 am

Re: Challenge to Ajax and Subgenius

Post by Some Schmo »

It occurs to me that the best chance right wingers have of obtaining a free speech zone on the internet is if the government sets up a public forum for people to speak. It would have to be 1st Amendment friendly as a government sponsored place.

Sounds pretty damned socialist, if you ask me. The right wing nuts will love it!

LOL
Religion is for people whose existential fear is greater than their common sense.

The god idea is popular with desperate people.
User avatar
Gadianton
God
Posts: 3842
Joined: Sun Oct 25, 2020 11:56 pm
Location: Elsewhere

Re: Challenge to Ajax and Subgenius

Post by Gadianton »

Ajax wrote:Fact checks are politically biased and have lost credibility.
Of course, Ajax, because truthfulness is now political. To believe in reality means to be politically biased against DJT.

Your coming "platforms" are doomed to failure, Ajax. They can't be successful because they are entirely parasitic. You don't even have such a thing as an actual news source in your world, Ajax, you have news commentary.

You have what would be an ocean of claims that's 10,000 miles wide and a quarter inch deep. You have people just making things up, some of those things go viral, a lot of people put a lot of energy into mouthing off about those things, but what your community broadly accepts at any time is up in the air. you've got nothing but a whole lot of angry people who are ready to shoot.

When I ever try to research something that comes from your world, Ajax, it goes nowhere. It's just one site after another circulating something that somebody said on Instagram or Twitter. Or it's commentary and complaints about something printed in the New York Times.

As a brief example, I asked your partner subs a couple of times to send me to the right-wing lawyer site that lays out the claims about election fraud in a serious and logical manner. Somewhere out there must be the Res Ipsa of the right wing, but no such serious synthesis of election fraud information apparently exists anywhere. On the left, as good as Res is, it's trivial to find other such quality sources of information.

Keep lying to yourself Ajax, it seems to make you miserable, but if you can't flip the circuit breaker on your downward spiral and begin to accept the real world a little bit, then you deserve all of the misery you heap upon yourself. At least you aren't in prison. Many of your brothers and sisters of the right-wing will be in prison soon because of you, and millions like you who promoted Trump's election lies with all of your hearts, while knowing that you're lying the entire time. Those who didn't get the memo are your victims.
User avatar
ajax18
God
Posts: 2717
Joined: Tue Nov 03, 2020 9:12 pm

Re: Challenge to Ajax and Subgenius

Post by ajax18 »

Fact checks are politically biased and have lost credibility.
I was referring the Jacob Blake case. The media fact check says that it was true at the time that Jacob Blake was unarmed. That's just one example of a fact check proven false.
Many of your brothers and sisters of the right-wing will be in prison soon because of you,
They're in prison because they didn't follow the President Trump's admonition to peacefully march. What they did was a disgrace.
Your coming "platforms" are doomed to failure, Ajax. They can't be successful because they are entirely parasitic.
What do you mean? How have Sean Hannity or Rush Limbaugh been able to be successful?
And when the Confederates saw Jackson standing fearless like a stonewall, the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
User avatar
Gadianton
God
Posts: 3842
Joined: Sun Oct 25, 2020 11:56 pm
Location: Elsewhere

Re: Challenge to Ajax and Subgenius

Post by Gadianton »

Ajax wrote:I was referring the Jacob Blake case. The media fact check says that it was true at the time that Jacob Blake was unarmed. That's just one example of a fact check proven false.
CFR. Please link to the "media fact check" claiming that Jacob Blake was "unarmed". Then, please link to the incontrovertible evidence that Jacob Blake was "armed". THEN, show that the "media fact check" refused to update their information based on the evidence. And prepare yourself to write precisely as you present your case, because your chances of pulling the wool over my eyes are slim.

In the real world, we update our beliefs when there is sufficient evidence to. Proving things false is an ordinary step in the journey to truth.
Ajax wrote:When we get our own networks, we'll exercise our rights as a private company to ban you just as Facebook and Twitter has done to us
I was referring to ^^^ this. Obviously, right-wing pundits and Trump himself have made insane amounts of money off of stupid people. I meant your "own networks", which I assume must include some kind of posting platform such that you can ban people. I'm saying that those kinds of platforms are ultimately unstable and won't scale well. Maybe you can prove me wrong.
Ajax wrote:the censorship, and cancel culture that defines the modern left.
After years of promoting obvious lies, Facebook and Twitter went on a rampage deleting material that contributed to the failed insurrection mounted by your right-wing brothers. To compare, the site that cam and others are posting these hilarious screenshots from called greatawakening.win went on a rampage deleting any and every negative comment about Q made today within five minutes of the "great awakening" not happening. You don't need to wait for future tech to provide you with a platform where folks like myself and Cam and Schmo will be banned. You've already got these sites. How long do you think I would last at LDS Freedom Forum, where you also post?

Your problem, Ajax, and I think what you had in mind, is creating a platform that doesn't just attract random critics, but attracts millions of people who identify left of center, and then banning them. It will never happen. From what I can tell, even Parler has done more censuring of your side than it has my side.
User avatar
Some Schmo
God
Posts: 2466
Joined: Wed Oct 28, 2020 3:21 am

Re: Challenge to Ajax and Subgenius

Post by Some Schmo »

It hilarious the right wingers want to pretend "cancel culture" is a left wing phenomenon. Don't they remember what they did to the Dixie Chicks? Did anyone hear how they reacted to Garth Brooks singing at Biden's inauguration yesterday? If cancel culture is a thing, they invented it.

Like I always say, if it weren't for hypocrisy, right wingers would have nothing to do.
Religion is for people whose existential fear is greater than their common sense.

The god idea is popular with desperate people.
User avatar
Doctor CamNC4Me
God
Posts: 8979
Joined: Wed Oct 28, 2020 2:04 am

Re: Challenge to Ajax and Subgenius

Post by Doctor CamNC4Me »

Gadianton wrote:
Thu Jan 21, 2021 4:22 am
Ajax wrote:I was referring the Jacob Blake case. The media fact check says that it was true at the time that Jacob Blake was unarmed. That's just one example of a fact check proven false.
CFR. Please link to the "media fact check" claiming that Jacob Blake was "unarmed". Then, please link to the incontrovertible evidence that Jacob Blake was "armed". THEN, show that the "media fact check" refused to update their information based on the evidence. And prepare yourself to write precisely as you present your case, because your chances of pulling the wool over my eyes are slim.

In the real world, we update our beliefs when there is sufficient evidence to. Proving things false is an ordinary step in the journey to truth.
I thought I’d circle back to this post and update it with:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfSdZ9vkmyk

Jacob Blake admitted to having a knife and there is video evidence of him in possession of a knife. I’d guess that if you asked a 100 protesters if JB had a knife, based on widespread reporting of the incident, 99 of them would say he didn’t have one.

Here’s politifact with an updated ‘fact check’:

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2 ... 1556823259

- Doc
Hugh Nibley claimed he bumped into Adolf Hitler, Albert Einstein, Winston Churchill, Gertrude Stein, and the Grand Duke Vladimir Romanoff. Dishonesty is baked into Mormonism.
Post Reply