Will Biden lock up more black people?

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Let’s look at this conversation. Some Asians were murdered, and Biden said racism against Asians must end. Ajax asserted that most anti-Asian racists are black. What does he deduce?

That the real victims in all this are white.
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Analytics wrote:
Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:15 pm
Let’s look at this conversation. Some Asians were murdered, and Biden said racism against Asians must end. Ajax asserted that most anti-Asian racists are black. What does he deduce?

That the real victims in all this are white.
I didn't deduce that. Dr. Gu MD was the one who asserted that whites are the ones to blame for blacks murdering and violently assaulting Asians.

Somehow whites are to blame even when they're not involved.
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Why do you care what Dr. Gu thinks?
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ajax18 wrote:
Mon Apr 05, 2021 7:11 pm
It wouldn't be evidence of systemic racism in the law. It might be evidence of systemic racism in how the law is enforced. It depends upon whether the law is enforced fairly or not.
Is it possible that more black people violently attack Asian people? Or can the racial disparity in the results only be due to some form of white on black racism?
Yes, but you would have to define what you mean by "more." If we knew we had a reliable database of all "violent attacks," based on a uniform definition of "violent," that included the race of the perp and victim, We could look at all violent attacks against Asians and compare the percentage of members of each race that perpetrated the attacks. We could then compare those percentages to the percentage of each racial group in the entire population. I wouldn't expect the numbers to match exactly, so the most likely result is that each racial group would be a little over or under represented in the statistics. So, we'd have to figure out how big the gap needs to be before it is significant. If black perps numerically outnumbered white perps, that would be significant, because there are lots more black folks than white folks.

I don't understand your second question. Let me give an example. In some states, until well into the 1980s, governments actively fought to keep schools segregated. Black schools were significant underfunded when compared to white schools. In the extreme case, public schools were dissolved and white students received funding to attend private schools, while black students did not. This resulted in a substantial gap between the education of the average white person when compared with the average black person. This was straight up, intentional racism.

At the same time, employment became more and more dependent upon education. Jobs increasingly required a high school or college degree. Those requirements, in and of themselves, do not involve racism, But, because we had generations of black folks who did not have the same access to education as white folks, the result was higher and better paying jobs for the average white employee than for the average black employee. That is structural racism. The qualifications for jobs are race neutral. But because black job applicants were denied an equal opportunity to access the education required to meet those race neutral requirements, more black folks as a percentage end up in poverty or on public assistance than white folks. That is an example of systemic racism. None of the employers are racist, but the outcome is stacked against the black folks. That's why I always argue that outcomes that differ significantly from what we should see absent any kind of racism should always lead us to at least consider and investigate the possibility that a system that is race neutral in theory is actually racist in practice.

Now, let's go one step farther. Suppose we assume that, all other things being equal, the frequency of violent attacks is strongly correlated with poverty. The more income and or wealth a person has, the less likely he or she is to commit a violent attack. In that case, it would be fair to say that a disproportionate rate of violent crime by black folks is at least partly caused by systemic racism. The intentional racism by folks over a long period of time resulted in higher black poverty by operation of systemic racism in the employment market, which resulted in a higher rate of violent attacks by black folks.

So, if all the assumptions I've made were correct, it would be perfectly reasonable to identify white racism of a cause of black violence. Now, if we went back to our database and looked at all violent attacks that were committed by black folk, comparing the victims by race, we could see whether Asians are overrepresented as victims of black attackers. That could indicate intentional racism against Asians by black folks.

But we'd have to dig a little deeper than that to be confident. For example, assume there are gangs that sell drugs that are made up of only one race. If a bunch of black and Asian gangs got into a massive turf war, I don't think it would be fair to call that racism.

Simple, right? ;)

BTW, I've never looked at Dr. Gu's Twitter feed. Can we tell whether it's a real account as opposed to a parody account trolling the libs?
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Moksha wrote:
Tue Apr 06, 2021 7:12 am
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_Gu
Thanks.
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100 presumably Black people were arrested for looting in Chicago, I dunno, yesterday or whatever.

There.

Did I make Xanax's day? A little tickle for the pickle? A little jump in his step? You know. Black people were arrested for allegedly stealing. That do it for ya, Xanax? Feels good, man?

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Analytics wrote:
Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:15 pm
Let’s look at this conversation. Some Asians were murdered, and Biden said racism against Asians must end. Ajax asserted that most anti-Asian racists are black. What does he deduce?

That the real victims in all this are white.
After all these years how can you even entertain his twisted thinking? Aren't you bored with it? I'm not singling you out. That's a question I pretty much have for everyone who responds to him.
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Analytics wrote:
Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:00 pm
Why do you care what Dr. Gu thinks?
You know, After I read this, I started singing “Am I with you, Dr. Gu....”
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Jersey Girl wrote:
Thu Apr 08, 2021 3:53 am
Analytics wrote:
Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:15 pm
Let’s look at this conversation. Some Asians were murdered, and Biden said racism against Asians must end. Ajax asserted that most anti-Asian racists are black. What does he deduce?

That the real victims in all this are white.
After all these years how can you even entertain his twisted thinking? Aren't you bored with it? I'm not singling you out. That's a question I pretty much have for everyone who responds to him.
Honestly, I still find him fascinating. The main reason is I don't think he is trolling us. I think he really believes what he says. I think he is sincere and that he thinks he is making a good point. And beyond being a one-off curiosity, I think he represents a plurality of the modern GOP. Matt Gaetz and Marjorie Taylor Greene don't participate here, but we have their surrogate in Ajax. I want to understand what these dangerous Americans think, and I'm curious if it is possible to influence them.
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