Socialist Distancing

[Gunnar]

Well I don't think our ancestors would have ever tolerated 45% unemployment to save what amounted to at most 0.2% of people, most of which were already toward the end of their lives anyway. Thankfully they didn't dump untold trillions of dollars in debt as a result upon us as their posterity as we've done to our posterity.

Do you think it is foolish to heed the admonitions of Russell M. Nelson, whom you supposedly accept as your divinely inspired leader and the Prophet of God?

President Russell Nelson, other top LDS leaders vaccinated against COVID

Eight top Latter-day Saint leaders over age 70 — including 96-year-old church President Russell M. Nelson — got their first dose of the “prayed and fasted for” COVID-19 vaccination Tuesday morning to show “in word and deed” their long-standing support for immunizations.

And they hope all others in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints will follow their example.

Would you have rejected that advice, had you not been required by your workplace to get vaccinated?

Nor did the LDS church oppose recommended pandemic social distancing guidelines. Timeline: How the Church has responded to the global COVID-19 pandemic

In fact, if anything the LDS Church was among the very first (if not the first) major religious organizations to adopt and implement them, including both the masking and the social distancing part.

What is the matter with you? Do you think you are wiser, more inspired or more knowledgeable than your beloved Prophet?

Not only that, Donald Trump (whom you apparently revere and trust even more than your Prophet) also got himself and family vaccinated, though with as little publicity as he could away with.

[ajax18]

What is the matter with you? Do you think you are wiser, more inspired or more knowledgeable than your beloved Prophet?

No, especially not this prophet. He has no choice but to play it this way given the political and news media climate. But it is sad seeing my kids not having opportunities like the primary program and nursery. We have no more Wednesday night meetings to fellowship while we work on our callings. We're not even allowed to socialize and talk to each other after sacrament meeting. There is a lot spiritual death going on in Church due to this pandemic.


Three was a short time when there was 45% unemployment before in my state we fought back and got back to work ins spite of being accused of being murderers by the left.

[Moksha]

What is the matter with you? Do you think you are wiser, more inspired, or more knowledgeable than your beloved Prophet?

No, especially not this prophet.

Sometimes you just have to ignore his counsel with you want to follow Trump and be a covey spreader. Science is the enemy. Just use a bleach douche or enema and your conservatism will be apparent to all.

[ajax18]

And you know I did get COVID but I wouldn't have known had I not been tested when going in for a minor surgery. 2020 was the healthiest year I've ever been in practice being breathed on up close by people from all over the world six days/week. I didn't have a single cold, no cough, no flu. My family and and most of my extended family got COVID. My parents are old enough to collect social security if they chose to do so. They said they've had flus in their life that were much worse. They were told at their age that Covid was a death sentence. The media instilled fear in the minds of people of this disease as if it were the bubonic plague. So why are the overwhelming majority of all these people who have been infected still here, still not disabled and for those permitted and willing to do so still working?

Incidentally, I don't remember even the worst tyrant monarchs of Europe shutting down the economy during the bubonic plague. If anything the plague was a benefit to the working class and for those that survived it improved their quality of life.

[Res Ipsa]

And you know I did get COVID but I wouldn't have known had I not been tested when going in for a minor surgery. 2020 was the healthiest year I've ever been in practice being breathed on up close by people from all over the world six days/week. I didn't have a single cold, no cough, no flu. My family and and most of my extended family got COVID. My parents are old enough to collect social security if they chose to do so. They said they've had flus in their life that were much worse. They were told at their age that Covid was a death sentence. The media instilled fear in the minds of people of this disease as if it were the bubonic plague. So why are the overwhelming majority of all these people who have been infected still here, still not disabled and for those permitted and willing to do so still working?

Incidentally, I don't remember even the worst tyrant monarchs of Europe shutting down the economy during the bubonic plague. If anything the plague was a benefit to the working class and for those that survived it improved their quality of life.

Non-random sample of 3. Did you ever take a course in statistics?

Evidence of improvement in quality of life being caused by plague?

[Gadianton]

2020 was the healthiest year I've ever been in practice being breathed on up close by people from all over the world six days/week. I didn't have a single cold, no cough, no flu.

I got very sick in Feb 2020, and I give it 50% that it was Covid. After that, I've had nothing. Not the slightest cold. I usually get a cold once a year. Hmm. I wonder what could be happening? Let's think really f-ing hard, Ajax.

Precautions taken to fight the COVID-19 pandemic, including wearing masks and distancing, are likely the major reason for a steep decline of flu cases in the U.S., according to experts.

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/hsph- ... -pandemic/

Your stupid observations about people in your office not having masks are irrelevant. The population they were taken from was one of mask-wearing and social distancing, even in your god-forsaken state.

In other words, you just proved the very thing you are trying to fight against: social distancing and mask wearing, work. You are a complete moron, by the way.

[ajax18]

In other words, you just proved the very thing you are trying to fight against: social distancing and mask wearing, work. You are a complete moron, by the way.

Really? Why were so many people testing positive for COVID in my god forsaken state? I just told you I tested positive for COVID along with almost everyone else I know. And yes we did have to wear masks at work and whenever I went outside. How can you possibly conclude from this that the mask and social distancing worked? Our immune systems worked.

[Res Ipsa]

In other words, you just proved the very thing you are trying to fight against: social distancing and mask wearing, work. You are a complete moron, by the way.

Really? Why were so many people testing positive for COVID in my god forsaken state? I just told you I tested positive for COVID along with almost everyone else I know. And yes we did have to wear masks at work and whenever I went outside. How can you possibly conclude from this that the mask and social distancing worked? Our immune systems worked.

You need finer grained data from your state to answer that. Masks and social distancing were never advertised as complete solutions. You have no idea what the trajectory of the disease would have been without masks or social distancing. You also don’t know anything about how the disease spread. You’re just dumbly arguing that because masks and social distancing didn’t perfectly stop the disease, they had no effect. That’s just dumb.

You want to see what COVID looked like with no masks and no lockdowns, look at Arizona. My folks live in Arizona, and it was full of Trumpers who refused to take the disease seriously. The governor refused to impose any requirements or restrictions until it was far too late. They ran out of hospital beds and medical personnel to take care of the flood of patients. They had to mooch off of other states that had kept the rate of infection down by flying COVID patients to other states. There was no excuse for it. They had all the time in the world to prepare.

Here in Washington, we had very little warning, but we have had strict mask mandates and mandatory business closures or openings that follow the practices recommended by infectious disease specialists. The disease still spreads, mostly because people don’t comply with voluntary isolation and quarantine requirements, as well as recommended limits for gathering indoors in homes. And although we were hit pretty hard by the early PPE shortages, e we never overran our hospitals.

We have a phased reopening plan. Two of our major counties just rolled back from phase 3 to phase 2. Why? Because we don’t want to be Arizona. Or the Dakotas. Or even Michigan, which reopened too soon, too fast.

But the notion that immune systems stopped the spread of the disease is moronic. Nowhere in the US is even close to herd immunity through infections. In fact, because of you Trumpets, some red states will never get there because you choose to make vaccination a political issue.

[canpakes]

2020 was the healthiest year I've ever been in practice being breathed on up close by people from all over the world six days/week. I didn't have a single cold, no cough, no flu.

I got very sick in Feb 2020, and I give it 50% that it was Covid. After that, I've had nothing. Not the slightest cold. I usually get a cold once a year. Hmm. I wonder what could be happening? Let's think really f-ing hard, Ajax.

ajax, I really don’t want to spell this out so literally for you in place of Gad’s more subtle approach, but given that many or most folks in your immediate locale have taken to wearing masks, touching shared objects less often, washing hands and avoiding personal contact more often, and sometimes working/shopping remotely, are you really wondering why you may have caught fewer or no colds this year?

[Gadianton]

Really? Why were so many people testing positive for COVID in my god forsaken state? I just told you I tested positive for COVID along with almost everyone else I know.

you really are doubling down on this whole willful ignorance thing. Not super important, but just sayin': While I believe that you tested positive, I don't believe that "almost everyone you know" also "tested positive". You're just saying that.

They might not tell you this on Fox news, but Covid spreads significantly faster than the flu. Also, Covid isn't seasonal. By the time flu season came around, social distancing and mask wearing was a thing. At times, a thing that substantially slowed Covid. But what substantially slows Covid will have a significantly greater affect lesser viruses. Is that like, incomprehensible to you?

I've had Freshman biology, Ajax, and that's all. You have a medical degree. You should be teaching me how Covid works, and you should be a light to your community, rather than a sniveling little political cry-baby.