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Since this story has been censored by Facebook I figured I'd go ahead and put it up. Schmo often criticizes me for not knowing what Marxism or socialism means. Perhaps he's right. What Marxism means to Patrisse Cullors and apparently most of the left, is something far different than what I understood Marxism to mean.
Black Lives Matter co-founder, lesbian, and self-described “trained Marxist” Patrisse Cullors defended her $3.2 million mansion-buying spree that was exposed by the New York Post last week, claiming “The way I live my life is in direct support of black people and that includes my black family members.”

The New York Post first reported on Cullor’s extravagant tastes in real estate on April 10, noting her spending spree which consisted of four high-end properties costing a combined $3.2 million.
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Cullors has received widespread bipartisan criticism for her perceived hypocrisy, even as left-wing tech platform Facebook struggles to ban and erase the New York Post story from being shared.

“So a critique from the left that would say, if you are a trained Marxist, if we’re talking about a certain kind of radical politick, that extravagant homes of any sort, or multiple properties of any sort is itself contradictory to the ideology you hold, and so it’s not about having money per se… but that it’s about there being a potential contradiction between your expressed politics and your lived practice,” Cullors was told during a recent interview.

“Sure, and I think that is a critique that is, um, wanting,” Cullors responded. “And I say that because, um, the, the [sic] way that I live my life is in direct support to black people, including my black family members, uh, first and foremost.”

Cullors continued, “And, uh, for so many black folks who are able to invest, um, in themselves and in their community, they choose to invest in their family, and that’s what I have chosen to do, um, I have a child, I have a brother that has severe mental illness that I take care of, um, I support my mother, um, and I support many other family members of mine and so I see, um, uh, my money as not my own, I see it as, um, my family’s.”

Black Lives Matter riots, which resulted in massive property damage and loss of life in 2020, are expected to pick up in intensity throughout 2021.
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ajax18 wrote:
Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:11 am
Since this story has been censored by Facebook I figured I'd go ahead and put it up. Schmo often criticizes me for not knowing what Marxism or socialism means. Perhaps he's right. What Marxism means to Patrisse Cullors and apparently most of the left, is something far different than what I understood Marxism to mean.
I strongly suspect that even what Marxism meant to Marx himself differs significantly from what you understand Marxism to mean. I also think it highly likely that no one would have more strongly disapproved of the brutal way that Soviet leaders interpreted and tried to implement his ideas than Karl Marx himself.
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Gunnar wrote:
Sat Apr 17, 2021 4:19 am
ajax18 wrote:
Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:11 am
Since this story has been censored by Facebook I figured I'd go ahead and put it up. Schmo often criticizes me for not knowing what Marxism or socialism means. Perhaps he's right. What Marxism means to Patrisse Cullors and apparently most of the left, is something far different than what I understood Marxism to mean.
I strongly suspect that even what Marxism meant to Marx himself differs significantly from what you understand Marxism to mean. I also think it highly likely that no one would have more strongly disapproved of the brutal way that Soviet leaders interpreted and tried to implement his ideas than Karl Marx himself.
Yeah, I guess socialism means different things to different people. In your view of the word Marxist Gunnar, does the way Patrisse Cullors lives her life still match with being a self proclaimed Marxist? Is this kind of result consistent with a democratic socialist government were it to be implemented in the US? Would people like Zuckerberg, Bernie, and Pelosi be living in a house like mine, shopping at the grocery stores I do, with their kids going to the same public school?
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and I support many other family members of mine and so I see, um, uh, my money as not my own, I see it as, um, my family’s.”
Notice she didn't say it belonged the her BLM supporters. I see my money as belonging to myself and my family as well. I wonder if Patrisse Cullors is in line with Doc and Schmo's push to abolish inheritance and forfeit all assets of the deceased individual to the government. I kind of agree with her self description as a Marxist because this is the kind of result that seems to always result from Marxist ideology.

Cullors probably doubled the number of black people in Topanga Canyon by moving there. For someone who views the US as being systemically racist against black people, why would you want to move to an all white neighbordhood? Why would you want that lack of diversity?
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Another interesting tidbit is the lack of transparency in the income of Black Lives Matter. How does this compare with the attitudes of people on this board about the lack of transparency in LDS church finances?

Facebook of course banned the story citing that it was dangerous for a BLM founder to have their address and name revealed online. But Facebook has no problem with officers involved in police shootings having their address displayed for the lynch mob online. It had nothing to do with that. Facebook just didn't like the story and is once again suppressing the truth in the public square.
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In your view of the word Marxist Gunnar, does the way Patrisse Cullors lives her life still match with being a self proclaimed Marxist?
I found a NY Post article talking about it. There's little to indicate what her Marxist influences are, but my gut reaction notwithstanding it reported in the NY Post, is that she probably isn't a "trained Marxist" in the sense that you are a "trained optometrist", but she's probably at least as much of a Marxist as you are a capitalist. I mean, there's little indication you know anything about capitalism nor support it beyond bare talking points either. Prager U, and all these right-wing outlets, including the entire institution of Austrian economics is basically a junkpile of misinformation and ideology.

Hey, subs used to say that liberals can't meme. I guess if some liberal memes arise about "Marxism" that are empty and baseless, then you folks will have found yourself a worthy adversary, trained in the same tactics as yourselves?
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Another interesting tidbit is the lack of transparency in the income of Black Lives Matter. How does this compare with the attitudes of people on this board about the lack of transparency in LDS church finances?
The LDS church is a single legally registered corporation. It is therefore meaningful to talk about its transparency or lack of it, because its finances are well-defined, and could, in principle, be made fully public (but of course they are not).

Black Lives Matter is a broad social and political movement made up of a multiplicity of different groups, some with a degree of organisation and others completely informal. There is no single central body there that 'is' the movement. What you call "the income of Black Lives Matter" is simply not a thing, in the way that the finances of the LDS church are a thing.
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In your view of the word Marxist Gunnar, does the way Patrisse Cullors lives her life still match with being a self proclaimed Marxist?
I found a NY Post article talking about it. There's little to indicate what her Marxist influences are, but my gut reaction notwithstanding it reported in the NY Post, is that she probably isn't a "trained Marxist" in the sense that you are a "trained optometrist", but she's probably at least as much of a Marxist as you are a capitalist. I mean, there's little indication you know anything about capitalism nor support it beyond bare talking points either. Prager U, and all these right-wing outlets, including the entire institution of Austrian economics is basically a junkpile of misinformation and ideology.

Hey, subs used to say that liberals can't meme. I guess if some liberal memes arise about "Marxism" that are empty and baseless, then you folks will have found yourself a worthy adversary, trained in the same tactics as yourselves?
Good points, Gad, and I think you are probably correct about ajax not understanding capitalism any better than he understands Marxism.
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ajax18 wrote:
Sat Apr 17, 2021 3:46 pm
Another interesting tidbit is the lack of transparency in the income of Black Lives Matter. How does this compare with the attitudes of people on this board about the lack of transparency in LDS church finances?
Does BLM demand a tithing to be in good standing with their claimed ideals, tell you that they can get you into The Good Place if you do so, then stash away 130 billion dollars of its followers money into Wall Street stock funds?

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Gadianton wrote:
Sat Apr 17, 2021 5:13 pm
... my gut reaction notwithstanding it reported in the NY Post, is that she probably isn't a "trained Marxist" in the sense that you are a "trained optometrist" ...
Agreed. Folks don’t train to be in a party. : )

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