On Sensitivity and Specificity

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Chap wrote:
Sat Apr 24, 2021 10:23 am

Why does everything have to 'belong' to some currently identifiable and presently existing group? Pretty well every aspect of the culture I was brought up in has been appropriated by people in other parts of the world and adapted for their own purposes, and do you know what? I simply couldn't give a damn about it.
Everything doesn't "have to 'belong' to some currently identifiable and presently existing group." Cultural diffusion is a wonderful thing. In some disciplines, like art history, however, it's a sensitive subject. I"ll write more about this when I'm able.

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Perhaps one of the most implausible things I found about the series was the idea that someone like Trump would have knowingly appointed someone as inherently principled and decent as Naird, rather than General Grabaston to head the Space Force.
LOL... that's pretty funny, Gunnar.

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Morley wrote:
Sat Apr 24, 2021 2:23 pm
Cultural diffusion is a wonderful thing. In some disciplines, like art history, however, it's a sensitive subject.
Yup. I had sort of noticed that.
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Chap wrote:
Sat Apr 24, 2021 3:49 pm
Morley wrote:
Sat Apr 24, 2021 2:23 pm
Cultural diffusion is a wonderful thing. In some disciplines, like art history, however, it's a sensitive subject.
Yup. I had sort of noticed that.
I think it's because, while white supremest ideology is a thing, so are its more secretive siblings, whom, like Voldemort, do not wish to be named. Racist tropes depend on the concept that the culture of one group (in this case, Europeans) is superior to every other marginalized, colonized, and ignored group. This is done, in part, by saying that all the valuable and good aspects of culture are were invented by us. Another way this is accomplished is by adopting what we see as the desirable aspects of another culture and saying, "See, we took this and improved on it!"

I imagine that this tendency is an especially sensitive subject when it presents around indicators of culture like art, literature, and music.

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But then, Chap, I know you already know this stuff, as the following comment suggests:
Chap wrote:
Sat Apr 24, 2021 10:23 am
* By which, of course, I mean not just sitting isolated in an Anglophone bubble of 'ex-pats', but actually interacting with the population around you and (shock!! horror!!!) taking at least the trouble to learn the elementary forms of respectful communication in the majority language of the culture in question.
So, I'm basically preaching to the Imam.
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Morley wrote:
Sat Apr 24, 2021 4:23 pm
But then, Chap, I know you already know this stuff, as the following comment suggests:
Chap wrote:
Sat Apr 24, 2021 10:23 am
* By which, of course, I mean not just sitting isolated in an Anglophone bubble of 'ex-pats', but actually interacting with the population around you and (shock!! horror!!!) taking at least the trouble to learn the elementary forms of respectful communication in the majority language of the culture in question.
So, I'm basically preaching to the Imam.
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So, in a nutshell, what’s the difference between cultural fusion and cultural appropriation for us plebians?

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Sat Apr 24, 2021 6:49 pm
So, in a nutshell, what’s the difference between cultural fusion and cultural appropriation for us plebians?

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In my experience, those are not the names of two separate things with a well-defined and objective content. They are just a couple of verbal gestures used by people with different rhetorical aims. Speaking personally, I have no use for either.
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Chap wrote:
Sat Apr 24, 2021 6:43 pm
Morley wrote:
Sat Apr 24, 2021 4:23 pm
But then, Chap, I know you already know this stuff, as the following comment suggests:



So, I'm basically preaching to the Imam.
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Well, why don't we just say that we feel the same way and would like to share with others the delights that await those who try it for themselves?
I thought we were. Perhaps I'm not understanding what you're trying to say.
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Chap wrote:
Sat Apr 24, 2021 6:58 pm
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Sat Apr 24, 2021 6:49 pm
So, in a nutshell, what’s the difference between cultural fusion and cultural appropriation for us plebians?

- Doc
In my experience, those are not the names of two separate things with a well-defined and objective content. They are just a couple of verbal gestures used by people with different rhetorical aims. Speaking personally, I have no use for either.
When is culture "well-defined and objective"? You're kidding me.
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