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Rev. Franklin Graham
Posted: Tue May 18, 2021 8:53 pm
by Jersey Girl
I couldn't decide what existing thread would be the best fit for this since it covers two topics. The title of the video is misleading. He spends the first third of the video discussing EV's who refuse vaccines and preachers who make light of the pandemic. Also contains footage of those televangelists poo-pooing the virus. I found the televangelists particularly disturbing, completely arrogant, and not a little psycho. And dangerous.
He does address the 2020 election outcome. Brianna Keilar really puts him on the spot--holds his feet to the fire-- which I'm fully in favor of. I maintain as I always have, that I think his father would be highly critical of him were he here to see this. My recollect is that Billy Graham ministered to American Presidents. I don't recall him publicly inserting himself in politics. If he did so, I am not aware of it.
Keilar presses Rev. Graham on election claims
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VckvhM2iosA
Just posting this in case it is of interest. Not looking for lengthy discussion. I guess just a chance to express my own ideas about Frankly Graham whose ministries do so much good but in this area...I wish he'd step away from politics as I think all religious leaders should. It's very disheartening to me.
Re: Rev. Franklin Graham
Posted: Tue May 18, 2021 9:52 pm
by huckelberry
Well I am not a fan of Franklin but was glad he made the comments he made in this interview. I thought kellers desperate demands for a gotcha became disgusting.
The interplay between religion and politics does have interesting dimensions. In regards some religious leaders their open involvement in political questions s reveal them to be malignant narcissists lacking sense and intelligence,Not a good look for religion.
What religious understanding a person has effects their values and hopes which is going to become a part of their politics. Some people speak of excluding religion from politics. That is simply impossible. It will be there even if unnamed.
I think people have found church to be a space where people can get together despite different political views. Church leaders are rightfully careful about explicit political content because of it.
So having said the obvious I will add the personal note that the political results of white ev belief in the past few years has challenged my belief more deeply than anything I have encountered for years. EV culture has degraded reason in favor of enthusiasm. Degraded care and responsabllity in favor of power and group identity. Encouraged people to believe makebelieve for the thrill of it. They have exchanged faith for blind belief and a red flag to waive.
The word heresy is too damn weak.
Re: Rev. Franklin Graham
Posted: Tue May 18, 2021 10:29 pm
by Jersey Girl
huckelberry wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 9:52 pm
Well I am not a fan of Franklin but was glad he made the comments he made in this interview. I thought kellers desperate demands for a gotcha became disgusting.
The interplay between religion and politics does have interesting dimensions. In regards some religious leaders their open involvement in political questions s reveal them to be malignant narcissists lacking sense and intelligence,Not a good look for religion.
What religious understanding a person has effects their values and hopes which is going to become a part of their politics. Some people speak of excluding religion from politics. That is simply impossible. It will be there even if unnamed.
I think people have found church to be a space where people can get together despite different political views. Church leaders are rightfully careful about explicit political content because of it.
So having said the obvious I will add the personal note that the political results of white ev belief in the past few years has challenged my belief more deeply than anything I have encountered for years. EV culture has degraded reason in favor of enthusiasm. Degraded care and responsabllity in favor of power and group identity. Encouraged people to believe makebelieve for the thrill of it. They have exchanged faith for blind belief and a red flag to waive.
The word heresy is too damn weak.
I can't disagree with anything you said above. It's repulsive. There was a time when preacher's stayed in their own lane and you know, taught the Bible.
This is yet another reason that I want to disassociate with organized religion. Humans have defiled faith. Cheapened the ministry of Christ. And don't get me started on Prosperity doctrine or the bold and worldly theatrics that have leaked into worship. The religious community is so tangled up and so confused. And all they ever had to do was stay in the Word.
Maybe I am too old school or something.
Re: Rev. Franklin Graham
Posted: Wed May 19, 2021 4:24 am
by MeDotOrg
Billy Graham was never a great religious leader. He never led on any issue that would make him unpopular with his base. He never confronted the issue of segregation until it was politically expedient. He just made sure his preaching didn't offend too many segregationists while they were putting money in God's pocket.
Re: Rev. Franklin Graham
Posted: Wed May 19, 2021 4:43 am
by Jersey Girl
MeDotOrg wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 4:24 am
Billy Graham was never a great religious leader. He never led on any issue that would make him unpopular with his base. He never confronted the issue of segregation until it was politically expedient. He just made sure his preaching didn't offend too many segregationists while they were putting money in God's pocket.
Really? When did he confront segregation?
Re: Rev. Franklin Graham
Posted: Wed May 19, 2021 5:09 am
by MeDotOrg
Jersey Girl wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 4:43 am
MeDotOrg wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 4:24 am
Billy Graham was never a great religious leader. He never led on any issue that would make him unpopular with his base. He never confronted the issue of segregation until it was politically expedient. He just made sure his preaching didn't offend too many segregationists while they were putting money in God's pocket.
Really? When did he confront segregation?
In the late 60's he started talking integration, but he was never a Civil Rights kind of guy. I guess my point about Graham is that he was supposed to be a line to God at a time when there was a great moral uprising for Civil Rights, but I guess he and God never spoke about the subject.
Re: Rev. Franklin Graham
Posted: Wed May 19, 2021 5:27 am
by Jersey Girl
MeDotOrg wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 5:09 am
Jersey Girl wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 4:43 am
Really? When did he confront segregation?
In the late 60's he started talking integration, but he was never a Civil Rights kind of guy. I guess my point about Graham is that he was supposed to be a line to God at a time when there was a great moral uprising for Civil Rights, but I guess he and God never spoke about the subject.
You know I did a cursory search on Graham re:racism. He desegregated his rallies back in the 50's. He was called a n****r lover in the South for desegregating his rallies there. Civil rights leaders considered him a friend of the movement.
Graham wasn't a religious leader great or otherwise. He was first and foremost,
a preacher. That said, I doubt that he was ever the kind to take to the streets much less engage in civil disobedience. MeDot. I think that for the most part, he
stayed in his lane unlike his son Franklin whose political posturing is just exactly the thing I criticize him for. I think that his father would find his conduct disturbing and if he were here, and if he did, we'd never hear of it publicly.
Now if you have evidence that he preached in favor of segregation, I'd think differently.
I would much prefer that preachers stay in their lane. When they don't, you get the tinfoil hat brigade speaking conspiracy theory directly from the pulpit and on television, probably in the streets wherever they can get their egotistical faces plastered on the news. Once that line has been crossed, and it has, you can't draw the line with regard to free speech. And then what? One preacher condemning the other in public?
Billy Graham would have never done that.
Re: Rev. Franklin Graham
Posted: Wed May 19, 2021 9:18 pm
by Doctor CamNC4Me
I wonder how FG would react to this:
https://mobile.Twitter.com/MaryAnnAhern ... 9450425360
As @chicagosmayor reaches her two year midway point as mayor, her spokeswoman says Lightfoot is granting 1 on 1 interviews - only to Black or Brown journalists
It’s interesting when people self-segregate. I understand her reasoning, to give bipoc journalists a helping hand into the industry, but I’m not a fan of gatekeeping since that’s overt discrimination.
Anyway, I’m not trying to hijack, I just saw think linked from the JDMillstone Twitter feed looking for an update re: the Rosebud stuff and didn’t want to create a new thread. It kind of dovetails with your last post.
- Doc
Re: Rev. Franklin Graham
Posted: Wed May 19, 2021 10:57 pm
by Jersey Girl
Cam you can post anything you want here. I really just wanted to express myself with the OP.
Re: Rev. Franklin Graham
Posted: Thu May 20, 2021 1:05 am
by Brack
Last January, Franklin Graham compared the 10 GOP House members who voted to Impeach Trump to Judas Iscariot. It was a very dumb statement from him. But I am happy that Graham is willing to move on from the election, and that he got the Moderna COVID vaccine. I also got the Moderna COVID vaccine.