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Mitt Romney has managed to make himself hated by the right and the left. He coouldn't win an election for dog catcher.

ajax18 wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 29, 2021 3:37 pm

Mitt Romney has managed to make himself hated by the right and the left. He coouldn't win an election for dog catcher.

So, no answer to my question then?

Oh, so it's only Democrat billionaires who don't pay taxes at the same rate as normal working US citizens like ophthalmologists?

Trump, of course, is not a Democrat, and I doubt that he has been "bowing to the woks* mob and funding antiracism training from true raciapl grifters and profiteers like Ibram Kenadi". So surely we can assume that he is an example of a billionaire who pays his fair share of tax,

Remind me please: how much did Trump pay in Federal income taxes in the year he was elected and in his first year in office? I know it began with $75, but how many zeroes came after that?

(https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/202 ... taxes.html)

Chap wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 29, 2021 3:44 pm

ajax18 wrote: ↑

Tue Jun 29, 2021 3:37 pm

Mitt Romney has managed to make himself hated by the right and the left. He coouldn't win an election for dog catcher.

So, no answer to my question then?

Oh, so it's only Democrat billionaires who don't pay taxes at the same rate as normal working US citizens like ophthalmologists?

Trump, of course, is not a Democrat, and I doubt that he has been "bowing to the woks* mob and funding antiracism training from true raciapl grifters and profiteers like Ibram Kenadi". So surely we can assume that he is an example of a billionaire who pays his fair share of tax,

Remind me please: how much did Trump pay in Federal income taxes in the year he was elected and in his first year in office? I know it began with $75, but how many zeroes came after that?

(https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/202 ... taxes.html)

Why would I care if Donald Trump paid taxes or used the same real estate laws to pay a lower percentage just like Bill DeBlasio or any other member of the 1%. Trump happens to be the only person in the one percent to use his wealth to fight to lower the taxes of people like me, not to mention stop wasting our tax dollars on foreign aid, welfare, costly nonglobal environmental regulations that won't change the outcome, and importing poverty and socialism from the third world.

ajax18 wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 30, 2021 6:12 pm

Why would I care if Donald Trump paid taxes or used the same real estate laws to pay a lower percentage just like Bill DeBlasio or any other member of the 1%.

Thanks! Good to have it on the record that you are OK with very very rich people paying a lower tax rate than ophthalmologists.

ajax18 wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 30, 2021 6:12 pm

Why would I care if Donald Trump paid taxes or used the same real estate laws to pay a lower percentage just like Bill DeBlasio or any other member of the 1%. Trump happens to be the only person in the one percent to use his wealth to fight to lower the taxes of people like me, not to mention stop wasting our tax dollars on foreign aid, welfare, costly nonglobal environmental regulations that won't change the outcome, and importing poverty and socialism from the third world.

Donald Trump wasn't that great of a president.

Trump debuts at 41st in C-SPAN presidential rankings

Chap wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 30, 2021 7:03 pm

ajax18 wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 30, 2021 6:12 pm

Why would I care if Donald Trump paid taxes or used the same real estate laws to pay a lower percentage just like Bill DeBlasio or any other member of the 1%.

Thanks! Good to have it on the record that you are OK with very very rich people paying a lower tax rate than ophthalmologists.

You do realize that ajax is an optometrist, not an ophthalmologist, don't you? Perhaps the difference is not great, but you are surely aware that there is a difference.

by the way, I sincerely hope, for the sake of his patients, that ajax is a better optometrist than Trump was a President!

Brack wrote: ↑

Thu Jul 01, 2021 2:25 am

ajax18 wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 30, 2021 6:12 pm

Why would I care if Donald Trump paid taxes or used the same real estate laws to pay a lower percentage just like Bill DeBlasio or any other member of the 1%. Trump happens to be the only person in the one percent to use his wealth to fight to lower the taxes of people like me, not to mention stop wasting our tax dollars on foreign aid, welfare, costly nonglobal environmental regulations that won't change the outcome, and importing poverty and socialism from the third world.

Donald Trump wasn't that great of a president.

Trump debuts at 41st in C-SPAN presidential rankings

One gets the impression that ajax thinks that anything that Trump does or manages to get away with, no matter how despicable, must be ok by definition if Trump manages to benefit from it somehow.

One gets the impression that ajax thinks that anything that Trump does or manages to get away with, no matter how despicable, must be ok by definition if Trump manages to benefit from it somehow.

It's about the rights of working people. For welfare people Trump or any other Republican for that matter represents a very dangerous threat to their way of life.

On one side you have politicians paying the bail of violent BLM protesters and terrorists. You have a two tiered justice system that turns it's head and looks the other way when it comes to the exploding violent crime rate and one that wants jail time for Weisselburg for allowing an employee to use a company car.

ajax18 wrote: ↑

Wed Jun 30, 2021 6:12 pm

Trump happens to be the only person in the one percent to use his wealth to fight to lower the taxes of people like me,

That's not true, ajax. Unless you are not who you say you are. The Trump tax cuts were a gift for corporations and the wealthy while largely doing little for lower income Americans and likely costing middle income Americans whose wealth is largely in their home value.

It also sent the National Debt climbing in a period of relative economic strength when we are supposed to be paying it down so we are more prepared for future recessions.

For example -

https://www.investopedia.com/taxes/trum ... explained/

For the wealthy, banks, and other corporations, the tax reform package was considered a lopsided victory given its significant and permanent tax cuts to corporate profits, investment income, estate tax, and more. Financial services companies stood to see huge gains based on the new, lower corporate rate (21%), as well as the more preferable tax treatment of pass-through companies.4 Some banks said their effective tax rate would drop under 21%.

...

The overhaul was forecast to raise the federal deficit by hundreds of billions of dollars—and perhaps as much as $2 trillion—over the coming decade.

...

The highest earners were expected to benefit most from the law, while the lowest earners were believed to pay more in taxes once most individual tax provisions expire after 2025.

I've said this to you before so this isn't news. Trump treated our economy the same way a corporate raider treats new acquisitions. He inflated our debt load while artificially inflating market growth by pushing the Federal Reserve to keep interest rates low. The markets heated up but in unsustainable ways.

It's similar to if you took out a bunch of new credit cards and the ran them to their limit. Sure, you'd feel pretty wealthy in the moment. But eventually the credit runs out and bills come due.

Corporate raiders and Presidents Trump don't plan on being around when that happens, though, so they are especially reckless in creating artificial value they can cash out before parachuting away before the negative consequences come knocking.

Trump's policies were an economic nightmare that we will pay for for a generation.

I won't argue that there aren't plenty of terrible economic ideas being pushed by progressives, too. But it isn't a case where one party is good for the economy and the other bad. The details really, REALLY matter.

honorentheos wrote: ↑

Thu Jul 01, 2021 2:12 pm

Trump's policies were an economic nightmare that we will pay for for a generation.

I won't argue that there aren't plenty of terrible economic ideas being pushed by progressives, too. But it isn't a case where one party is good for the economy and the other bad. The details really, REALLY matter.

Details! Har, har.

That's where your case will fail with people like ajax18. What matters is a Fox News headline. And that's as far as it goes.