Was Trump's final tweet intended to tip off his minions that the Inauguration would be a safe target?

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Re: Was Trump's final tweet intended to tip off his minions that the Inauguration would be a safe target?

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We addressed those questions in detail already, Dr. Exiled. This is starting to feel like the Russian thing again where we spend an inordinate amount of time detailing things, giving sources, and connecting the dots and you come in totally ignorant of those efforts asking questions that have been answered repeatedly.

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Morley wrote:
Sun Jan 10, 2021 4:21 pm
Exiled, do you think Pres. Trump shares some blame for the riot in the Capitol?
Dr Exiled wrote:
Sun Jan 10, 2021 5:55 pm
Not really.
So ... really? Trump has no blame at all for the fact that an indignant crowd assembled (because he told them to come, and that it would be "wild"), was told that they were to march on the Capitol, and that therein were people they needed to deal with who were failing to respect the voice of the people while massive election fraud had taken place?

And what happened afterwards was nothing to do with him?

Weird.
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We literally posted that Trump literally told the crowd that he’d literally march with them to the Capitol:
Now it is up to Congress to confront this egregious assault on our democracy. And after this, we're going to walk down and I'll be there with you. We're going to walk down--

We're going to walk down. Anyone you want, but I think right here, we're going to walk down to the Capitol--

And we're going to cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women and we're probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them.
And that damned weasel slipped back into his motorcade and drove away, knowing, damned knowing he was sending a frenzied psychopathic crowd to an undefended Capitol, one where he denied repeated requests for NG support.

And Dr. Exiled is going to come on here and act like everything was a nothingburger or a whatabout or deflect for the President like he always does. Un-damned-believeable.

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Dr Exiled wrote:
Sun Jan 10, 2021 5:55 pm
Morley wrote:
Sun Jan 10, 2021 4:21 pm


Exiled, do you think Pres. Trump shares some blame for the riot in the Capitol?

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Not really. Just like I wouldn't have blamed Biden or whomever, I can't place this at Trump's feet. He didn't tell the capitol police to let the protesters inside their barricades. I don't know why the police didn't hold the line or why they were taking selfish with the protesters. They clearly fell down on the job.. Where was the national guard as well? The DC Mayor requested their presence days before the demonstration. Why weren't they there? There are always people who act like buffoons or criminally when crowds are that large. That's why the police/NG should have done their jobs.
Do you think he's also blameless for not doing anything to stop the riot until many hours later? (Even then, it seemed to many to be a half-hearted effort.)

If I'd inadvertently started a riot, I know I would surely try to shut it down posthaste.


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Dr Exiled wrote:
Sun Jan 10, 2021 5:55 pm
Where was the national guard as well? The DC Mayor requested their presence days before the demonstration. Why weren't they there?
My money would be on Trump skullduggery. I'm guessing this information will come to light as more and more Trump cronies abandon ship.
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Re: Was Trump's final tweet intended to tip off his minions that the Inauguration would be a safe target?

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Morley wrote:
Sun Jan 10, 2021 6:36 pm
Dr Exiled wrote:
Sun Jan 10, 2021 5:55 pm


Not really. Just like I wouldn't have blamed Biden or whomever, I can't place this at Trump's feet. He didn't tell the capitol police to let the protesters inside their barricades. I don't know why the police didn't hold the line or why they were taking selfish with the protesters. They clearly fell down on the job.. Where was the national guard as well? The DC Mayor requested their presence days before the demonstration. Why weren't they there? There are always people who act like buffoons or criminally when crowds are that large. That's why the police/NG should have done their jobs.
Do you think he's also blameless for not doing anything to stop the riot until many hours later? (Even then, it seemed to many to be a half-hearted effort.)

If I'd inadvertently started a riot, I know I would surely try to shut it down posthaste.


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Trump told the crowds to remain peaceful and respect the police and most were. He can't control all the crowd. That's the job for the police. Yet, the capitol police inexplicably let the protesters in when they shouldn't have and the DC Mayor had asked for national guard units to be there as well. The Guard commanders agreed, yet the Guard wasn't around for some reason. Had the police and Guard done their jobs, it might have been a different outcome.
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Dr Exiled wrote:
Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:21 pm
Tump told the crowds to remain peaceful and respect the police and most were. He can't control all the crowd. That's the job for the police. Yet, the capitol police inexplicably let the protesters in when they shouldn't have and the DC Mayor had asked for national guard units to be there as well. The Guard commanders agreed, yet the Guard wasn't around for some reason. Had the police and Guard done their jobs, it might have been a different outcome.
So you support Trump's delight and excitedly watching of the storming of the Capitol on TV with delight and pleasure without lifting a finger to call in or check on reinforcements, or anyone's safety.

I suppose next you will tell us that that is not his job. (especially since he is too busy delightedly enjoying watching it all on TV)
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It's difficult to understand the argument that the responsibility for crimes lies with those that didn't stop the crimes, rather than with those perpetrating the crimes.

I listened to Trump's rally speech that morning. He did NOT tell crowds to remain peaceful. He incited a riot.

It's really bizarre that with all the discussion of storming the Capitol, the pipe bombs with timing devices found in two offices, the truck with almost a dozen Molotov cocktails and the presence of automatic weapons are barely even discussed. That's scary.
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Dr. E,

At any time during Trump's call with Brad Raffensperger, do you believe that Trump tried to get Raffensperger to agree to commit fraud, even though he did not directly ask Raffensperger to do anything in particular that was fraudulent?

I'm not asking for a hypothetical legal defense if you were to be his lawyer. I'm asking what your personal opinion is.
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Re: Was Trump's final tweet intended to tip off his minions that the Inauguration would be a safe target?

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Dr Exiled wrote:
Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:21 pm
Morley wrote:
Sun Jan 10, 2021 6:36 pm


Do you think he's also blameless for not doing anything to stop the riot until many hours later? (Even then, it seemed to many to be a half-hearted effort.)

If I'd inadvertently started a riot, I know I would surely try to shut it down posthaste.
Trump told the crowds to remain peaceful and respect the police and most were.
By this time, the folks that Trump had recruited had already breached the Capitol. If I remember correctly, a half hour before this, the alerts had gone out that the Capitol was on lockdown, because a siege had begun in earnest. I think, about an hour before this, the rioters had already illegally compromised the barricades.

Trump didn't send in the National Guard. He didn't phone the DoD. He didn't call the DC police. He didn't even tell his supporters to leave the building. He belatedly tweeted a milquetoast message from the security of the Whitehouse--all while watching the murderous and wanton destruction of the nation's Capitol on big screen TV.

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