truth dancer wrote:in my opinion, marriage is difficult enough without the added unhealthiness of men not being physically attractive to their wives and women feeling completely unattractive to their husbands.
My wife and I have never really had that problem, because she's never been shy about shedding the garments when it's 'playtime'.
That's what I find is a shame. Part of the fun sometimes is stripping down the clothing little by little. You don't get that with G's. You gotta go from fully dressed to naked to avoid the thrillkill. And even that can be a thrillkill.
Who Knows wrote:That's what I find is a shame. Part of the fun sometimes is stripping down the clothing little by little. You don't get that with G's. You gotta go from fully dressed to naked to avoid the thrillkill. And even that can be a thrillkill.
Actually, not always. My wife is happy with a little preparation, thanks to Victoria's Secret. After which ... let the games begin! ;)
"Moving beyond apologist persuasion, LDS polemicists furiously (and often fraudulently) attack any non-traditional view of Mormonism. They don't mince words -- they mince the truth."
-- Mike Quinn, writing of the FARMSboys, in "Early Mormonism and the Magic World View," p. x (Rev. ed. 1998)
Rollo Tomasi wrote:TBM's have long had serious sexual hang-ups. And it's only going to get worse: the manual for next year's priesthood and Relief Society classes is none other than "The Teachings of Spencer W. Kimball"! ;)
Oh, dear. Does this mean that there will be an accompanying Seminary lesson about how masturbation leads to homosexuality and/or "circle jerks"?
Rollo Tomasi wrote:Actually, not always. My wife is happy with a little preparation, thanks to Victoria's Secret. After which ... let the games begin! ;)
That's true. But that usually has to be planned in advance. Takes away the spontaneity.
Although my wife did surprise me once by putting VS on under her clothes before I got home from work. I had no idea, and was pleasantly surprised...
Who Knows wrote:That's true. But that usually has to be planned in advance. Takes away the spontaneity.
True enough. Thanks for bumming me out ....
"Moving beyond apologist persuasion, LDS polemicists furiously (and often fraudulently) attack any non-traditional view of Mormonism. They don't mince words -- they mince the truth."
-- Mike Quinn, writing of the FARMSboys, in "Early Mormonism and the Magic World View," p. x (Rev. ed. 1998)
truth dancer wrote:I'm NOT suggesting most folks have issues with garments (although I am absolutely certain many women do... many men too if they are being honest regarding their wives needing to wear them 24/7), but I'm saying you and Rollo, are rare in that you believe they are totally symbolic.
I don't want to get into particulars about the difficulties garments caused me but lets just say, I have never worn anything more uncomfortable, unattractive, irritating, ugly and odd. As I said, I wore them out of obedience ... as a sacrifice demonstrating my willingness to follow the prophet and abide by the rules of the church.
I don't think they are nearly so bad for men and I have met a few women who like them but in my opinion, it is odd for women to have to wear undergarments designed for women two hundred years ago.
I personally find them very comfortable, but (I admit) I think they are very ugly on women and wish that wearing them was optional. They are very out-of-date and not becoming on a woman at all (which, perhaps, was the original intent by the prudish designers?). But, unfortunately, they've become more than symbolic in Mormonism, which explains the obsessive demand that the garment be worn as much as possible (except for the three "S's," of course: sports, showers, and sex!).
The only time I see my a woman in them is when my wife changes into her PJs. And when it comes to sex well they go off and are replaced by either nothing or something sexy.
personally find them very comfortable, but (I admit) I think they are very ugly on women and wish that wearing them was optional. They are very out-of-date and not becoming on a woman at all (which, perhaps, was the original intent by the prudish designers?). But, unfortunately, they've become more than symbolic in Mormonism, which explains the obsessive demand that the garment be worn as much as possible (except for the three "S's," of course: sports, showers, and sex!).
I think you speak to the issue.
I'm trying to be sensitive but the reality is, women feel ugly in garments. I doubt there is a man alive who finds garments attractive on his wife. This is not a healthy thing for any intimate relationship. in my opinion, marriage is difficult enough without the added unhealthiness of men not being physically attractive to their wives and women feeling completely unattractive to their husbands.
I remember a woman telling me, "The best birth control is garments... it destroys any thoughts of sexual intimacy for men and women."
And we wonder why LDS men are having issues with porn?
~dancer~
Garments never destroyed MY interest in sex. Never.
truth dancer wrote:in my opinion, marriage is difficult enough without the added unhealthiness of men not being physically attractive to their wives and women feeling completely unattractive to their husbands.
My wife and I have never really had that problem, because she's never been shy about shedding the garments when it's 'playtime'.
That's what I find is a shame. Part of the fun sometimes is stripping down the clothing little by little. You don't get that with G's. You gotta go from fully dressed to naked to avoid the thrillkill. And even that can be a thrillkill.
Not really. Just take em off like any other undergarment.
I think garments were originally designed to thwart sexuality and desire... sex was about procreation, spreading seed an all that.
I'm glad for those LDS guys who find garmets on women attractive. I think it is the rare exception.
I'm also glad for those women who like wearing them. I think this too is an exception.
With garments, sexuality becomes reduced to the short time of actual intimacy whereas without them, intimacy becomes part of daily life and can be a beautiful strenghening, bonding facet of a relationship.
In other words, rather than stifle any sexual desire, I think it is healthy and beneficial to embrace it in appropriate ways.