I just posted the followng at MAD as my last post. Exactly 2 seconds after posting Juliann blocked my proxy IP. Too funny. And she insists she is open to free speech and that I am somehow afraid to deal with her. Who is scared of whom?
Here is what I posted:
Jan, you’re still focusing on the privacy of it all which wasn’t the point really. The main point was that a reputable professor from the University of Chicago claims our precious Daniel Peterson has been spreading lies. If this is true then he has been doing it regularly since 2002. Yes, he is undoubtedly the poster named “Logic Chopper.” And I suspect he initially said this using a pseudonym to avoid any immediate repercussions that might have developed. I always took Ritner’s silence as evidence that this rumor was true. I had no idea Ritner was unaware of what had been said.
The only creepy thing is Kevin and his gotcha email campaigns. Two scholars disagree about what happened on a dissertation committee years ago. Big whoop.
Big Whoop huh? Typical apologetic downplaying. So what if Joseph Smith couldn’t translate Egyptian? Big deal. So what if Gee was wrong in just about every apologetic argument he has forwarded. Big deal. The Church is still true and you’re still going to hell you rabid, venomous, vapid and vituperative anti!
The pathetic thing is that Kevin uses these people by trying to get them upset and doesn't care how foolish he is makes Ritner or his other stealth email victims look when he drags them into his sick games.
Juliann is still upset that I didn’t sit back and take her word when she said she had properly represented specific sociologists. For those who recall, I emailed Bromley and he was disgusted with her method. She then went ballistic and has been grinding her axe ever since. Her own professor had less than flattering things to say about the “FAIR crowd,” but out of respect to him I decided not to continue with the exchange (that, and the fact that I was banned and the topic died). Her only appeal was in claiming I had posted their emails without permission. When I presented the permission, and proved she was an idiot who knew nothing of which she spoke, she had to figure another way to discredit me - that “campaign” ended up being based solely on her bald assertions that I was fudging emails. Since she was yapping in an echo-chamber without any gumption to face me head-on, she was able to convince herself and others that what she was blathering was actually rooted in reality.
Her recent rant has just lit a fuse in me again, so I will present the several exchanges on a website in the near future, just to have a reference point for her future lies about it. Unfortunately that means Mauss will be dragged back into her mud. Pity. He is the nicest guy I have ever met, and his attitude was the reason why I decided not to post the exchanges. That, and the fact that Juliann made sure I was unable to post by having me banned, and by the time all the scholars sent their last responses, the topic had died out on the other forum. I had no idea would later interpret all this as proof that I had been lying about the exchanges. What an idiotic leap that was, and I shall prove it soon enough.
Sorry Juliann, but you just keep asking for it.
That is why he will not show his own emails or complete exchanges. It is all about Kevin and always has been and the collatoral damage is irrelevant.
Juliann doesn’t have anything to back this up except her own say-so. What am I supposed to do, let her send in the STMC to confiscate my hard drive and analyze all my emails before she believes me? Somehow I doubt that would matter. She needs to believe this nonsense the same way Mormons generally need to believe these rumors that cast doubt and suspicion on critics. They can’t live without it.
"[My] dismissal of Graham" is actually a questioning. Was that the entire email?
Yes. Contrary to Juliann’s lies, I did not edit the email. She has never demonstrated that I have. I do what most people refuse to do. While they are sitting on their butts drinking the latest juice from the FAIR/FARMS rumor-mill, I am going to the horse’s mouth to separate truth from myth. Obviously we can see why apologists feel uncomfortable with that method. It is scholarly and not faith promoting to find out what a source allegedly has said and done. Mormons live off the rumor mill. They love it. They need it. They’ll fight to keep it. That is all Juliann is doing at this point. She is making the subject me by recreating history and trying to cast doubt on me without the slightest hint of evidence.
why won't you post the entire email, Kevin? What are you hiding this time?
Juliann is fantasizing, knowing perfectly well that’s he has never demonstrated me “hiding” anything. This is nothing more than another false rumor fabricated to throw doubt on someone she wishes would just shut up. But hey, Juliann says she is all for free speech, so that must be true. I mean it wasn’t as if I spent 20 minutes last night trying to reconfigure my system because Juliann had gone into mod mode and blocked my IP address. She was the only one present who could have done that. She always does this. She is scared to death of me, which is why she immediately throws her weight around to make sure I cannot post here. Of course the MAD mods aren’t very good at blocking posters from posting. The only reason I posted here yesterday because I was surprised that someone had dragged this topic from Shades’ forum. Has this now become the MD obsession forum?
Why won't you post all of the email? Why not be open and honest and tell the whole story? Why do you hide things? What are you afraid of?
I posted the email in its entirety. For you to sit there and insist otherwise is just another Juliann rant based in ignorance/wishful thinking.
Let's start a poll! Who will Kevin email next when he loses the intellectual battle?
I lost an intellectual battle with whom? That’s news to me and probably everyone else. Juliann is going into her usual hysteria again. But of course, we know this is all geared to take focus off of Dan Peterson’s rumor-mongering. I don’t think even Juliann is dumb enough to believe half of what she is spouting at this point. The whole point here is diversion. FAIR apologists have mastered this technique out of necessity.
Here is the
firs email I sent to Ritner:
Professor Ritner,
I just wanted to take a moment to thank you for your work on the “Book of Abraham.” It has helped me tremendously over the past while, and has been instrumental in reforming my views regarding things LDS. I have been told by Daniel C. Peterson that John Gee has responded to your criticism in some Egyptological venue, but he didn’t say which it was. I have been unable to find any CV for Gee or a list of his publications. Peterson assures the LDS faithful that Gee is “widely respected” in the field and has been published in scholarly venues many times. Ok, so where at? I find hard to believe he is respectable, especially after the numerous errors in the one book he has published. It seems that virtually everything he writes is Mormon/apologetic related.
Incidentally, Dan Peterson likes to bring up some incident you and Gee had at Yale. He seems to think that by telling people Gee had you successfully removed from some advisory board – which he insists is “not common” - that this somehow proves you’re too biased to be taken seriously. As if you have always had an axe to grind with Gee. I have seen Dan mention this on discussion forums on at least three different occasions.
Anyway, I saw that you are contributing to Brent’s upcoming book. I look forward to reading that.
Kevin
Ritner’s first email I already provided,
in ful.
The exchange is still ongoing.
So what are you going to do now Juliann? You’ve been gloating and laughing all night about how I refuse to provide. I
never refused to provide. Nobody ever asked me. In fact, no one still has asked me. I just presented it to prove again how much of an idiot you really are.
And no, doing the IP hussle really isn’t worth getting in a word here temporarily. You can have the last word here as I’m sure you will be provided anyway. If you have the gumption to deal with me head-on, you know where I am at. I recommend you stay well hidden and protected here behind your entourage of moderators, because we all know you have never been one to hold your own.
“All knowledge of reality starts from experience and ends in it...Propositions arrived at by purely logical means are completely empty as regards reality." - Albert Einstein