There is no free will in Mormonism

Post by **_barrelomonkeys** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 11:04 pm

Infymus wrote:F*** you Merc. I didn't "give up" and nor did I let that fencing sitting **** Harmony win.

What's a coont? Is that some uber secret ex-LDS speak that I'm not privy to?

Post by **_harmony** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 3:29 am

barrelomonkeys wrote:
Infymus wrote:F*** you Merc. I didn't "give up" and nor did I let that fencing sitting **** Harmony win.

What's a coont? Is that some uber secret ex-LDS speak that I'm not privy to?

I think he was trying, in his own way, to spell "cunt", and thus take another swipe at me.

The misspelling kinda takes the sting out, ya know?

Post by **_barrelomonkeys** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 12:08 pm

harmony wrote:
barrelomonkeys wrote:
Infymus wrote:F*** you Merc. I didn't "give up" and nor did I let that fencing sitting **** Harmony win.

What's a coont? Is that some uber secret ex-LDS speak that I'm not privy to?

I think he was trying, in his own way, to spell "cunt", and thus take another swipe at me.

The misspelling kinda takes the sting out, ya know?

Quite definitely. ;)

Post by **_Ren** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 12:30 pm

The 'C' word? In the terrestrial forum?
Donno how it works in the US, but in the UK - the 'C' word is considered to be pretty much as bad as it gets...

EDIT: Well, I guess hence the mis-spelling :)

Post by **_harmony** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 2:57 pm

RenegadeOfPhunk wrote:The 'C' word? In the terrestrial forum?
Donno how it works in the US, but in the UK - the 'C' word is considered to be pretty much as bad as it gets...

EDIT: Well, I guess hence the mis-spelling :)

Which is, of course, why he used it as a weapon against me, misspelled or not. He's a man with issues who strikes out as effectively as possible at anyone who challenges him.

_Yoda · Post by **_Yoda** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 4:12 pm

harmony wrote:
RenegadeOfPhunk wrote:The 'C' word? In the terrestrial forum?
Donno how it works in the US, but in the UK - the 'C' word is considered to be pretty much as bad as it gets...

EDIT: Well, I guess hence the mis-spelling :)

Which is, of course, why he used it as a weapon against me, misspelled or not. He's a man with issues who strikes out as effectively as possible at anyone who challenges him.

I had actually edited that out when I had warned him about language, but I see he put it back in.

Sorry about that, Harm.

Yes, it's obvious the man has issues.

Post by **_Bond...James Bond** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 4:29 pm

Infymus's hissy fit is funny in light of this post:

http://mormondiscussions.com/discuss/vi ... ght=#60981

(note my Bold)....I guess Infymus isn't quite "done" enough.

http://www.exmormonforums.com/ex-mormon-general-discussion/508-mormon-curtain-what-happend.html#post2678

I have been writing up a response to everyone as to why I have changed the Mormon Curtain over to an archive site only now - and no longer gathering news. Sorry that I didn't get it put up in time today.

In short: I've recovered, I'm done, it is time to move on.

In long: The Mormon Curtain will continue to stay up and articles continued to be added, but on a limited basis.

My long term plans:

1. Keeping the Ex-Mormon Forums going (at http://www.exmormonforums.com )
2. Finishing and publishing my new website, Mormon Resignation (at http://www.mormonresignation.com)
3. Polishing off my Caligra-Reader that allows a person to download the entire Mormon Curtain database and have full search, print, etc. abilities. Caligra is the software (found at Caligra.COM - Static And Dynamic Web Page/Blogging Creation) that I wrote to keep track of the Mormon Curtain. It is quite complicated, but works extremely well for websites such as the MC. I highly recommend it to others in the Ex-Mormon communities that are looking for a way to archive and store the vast information out there. I also use it for my own personal blog, and many other sites I run.

These items will take me some time and no longer culling news on the MC will free me up quite a bit.

I must shout out my appreciation for those of you who instantly emailed me stating how sorry you were that I was no longer going to be publishing on the MC. Rest assured, I am not leaving the Ex-Mormon world, not yet. I still have work to do. But by stopping the culling of messages, I am freeing up 15 to 20 hours a week for me to work in other directions that I need to go.

So thank you for your best wishes and your kind emails.

Infymus,
Michael S. Hoenie

Post by **_Some Schmo** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 4:49 pm

Alrighty...

I think the problem I have with this idea of free agency is the other idea that god is omniscient. If he knows all, then he knows what we will "choose", he knows where we will end up, and he knows whether we're screwed or not before the game begins. So it begs the question, "Why would he even bother?" (Not to mention "what's the point of Judgment Day?")

It's just so damn silly. In the most basic and fundamental terms, the gospel makes no freaking sense at all.

Post by **_asbestosman** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 5:06 pm

Some Schmo wrote:Alrighty...

I think the problem I have with this idea of free agency is the other idea that god is omniscient. If he knows all, then he knows what we will "choose", he knows where we will end up, and he knows whether we're screwed or not before the game begins. So it begs the question, "Why would he even bother?" (Not to mention "what's the point of Judgment Day?")

It's just so damn silly. In the most basic and fundamental terms, the gospel makes no freaking sense at all.

That's why it has been explained to me that this is more so we can develop certain qualities rather than an examination to see if we already have them. While God may know who will or will not develop the important characteristics, they must still be developed.

Post by **_silentkid** » Fri Sep 21, 2007 5:10 pm

Some Schmo wrote:Alrighty...

I think the problem I have with this idea of free agency is the other idea that god is omniscient. If he knows all, then he knows what we will "choose", he knows where we will end up, and he knows whether we're screwed or not before the game begins. So it begs the question, "Why would he even bother?" (Not to mention "what's the point of Judgment Day?")

It's just so damn silly. In the most basic and fundamental terms, the gospel makes no freaking sense at all.

I think the typical apologetic response to the idea that God's omniscience makes free-will irrelevant is that the Mormon God's omniscience covers the past and "future free contingencies". Something about how he can see all the future decisions that we will encounter, but doesn't know which one we will ultimately choose (but then he does because he knows us so well). I may be speaking out of my ass on this one. I never really understood the rationale. I agree with you that it makes "no freaking sense at all".