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Re: Trinity

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Infymus wrote:
harmony wrote:As for Infymus... you will be given exactly what you deserve. It is something to look forward to.


I was going to respond to this, but I figure I'll end up in some long winded debate with you telling me how I just don't get it.


ROTFL. Okay, that made me laugh. Good thing I'm not in the office yet.

You will indeed "get it". You'll get exactly what you deserve. You have, after all, earned it. :-)
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Question for Gaz...

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Are you opposed to your wife doing some type of home-based business, or do you just not want her working at all?

If you guys are in a pinch for money, there are plenty of options for her in the home-based arena where she would have the flexibility to be home when the kids are home.

Here are a few options:

Teach a skill such as piano lessons
Freelance sewing
Freelance writing
Tutoring
Medical Transcription work
Computer consulting

There is also the option of substitute teaching. You don't have to have a degree. You get paid more if you have a degree, but it is not required. The advantage to substitute teaching is that she could actually sub at the same school your kids are going to. If she has appointments, etc. all she has to do is say "No," and she's not penalized for missing work. The school just finds someone else.

PM me if you need information on some of these options.
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Blixa wrote:I wander through each chartered street,
Near where the chartered Thames does flow,
A mark in every face I meet,
Marks of weakness, marks of woe.

In every cry of every man,
In every infant's cry of fear,
In every voice, in every ban,
The mind-forged manacles I hear:

How the chimney-sweeper's cry
Every blackening church appals,
And the hapless soldier's sigh
Runs in blood down palace-walls.

But most, through midnight streets I hear
How the youthful harlot's curse
Blasts the new-born infant's tear,
And blights with plagues the marriage hearse.


Most people claim to want happiness. Most really don't. Reading Dante will convince just about everyone that we spend more time focusing on torments than we do on bliss. Happiness is headier than any drug. I imagine everyone here has seen someone sabotage their own happiness with no real reason to. So sad.
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The Nehor wrote:The idea of judging God is ridiculous. If he created us then he gave us our moral yearnings. We can't judge him as he would have given us the ability to judge and he would have at least the moral compass we have.

You can declare that God doesn't exist but to suggest that a Creator God is unjust is illogical.


No, it isn't. I'm an atheist but it doesn't stop me from stating how insane the Mormon God is. Plus, because I was Mormon for 15 years, I think I have a right to talk about it.

The idea of judging God is only ridiculous to those who will not comprehend it. Just because he created us doesn't mean we can't judge him. You are thinking too much like a Mormon as did I when I was in the cult. Even when I was a member I was told that the ability to judge God was heresy. Being told you can't judge god is exactly that - you've been told you can't. Stop thinking in only black and white terms.
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Infymus wrote:
The Nehor wrote:The idea of judging God is ridiculous. If he created us then he gave us our moral yearnings. We can't judge him as he would have given us the ability to judge and he would have at least the moral compass we have.

You can declare that God doesn't exist but to suggest that a Creator God is unjust is illogical.


No, it isn't. I'm an atheist but it doesn't stop me from stating how insane the Mormon God is. Plus, because I was Mormon for 15 years, I think I have a right to talk about it.

The idea of judging God is only ridiculous to those who will not comprehend it. Just because he created us doesn't mean we can't judge him. You are thinking too much like a Mormon as did I when I was in the cult. Even when I was a member I was told that the ability to judge God was heresy. Being told you can't judge god is exactly that - you've been told you can't. Stop thinking in only black and white terms.


You can judge the conception of God the LDS have. However if you put him in the balance and find him wanting you either have to believe he does not exist or that he is not what he claims to be....(i.e. Creator God, source of all truth and light, etc.)

The idea of an actual God in the Christian sense who made all things and has seen all eternity and who made humanity and gave them their morality failing to pass that same standard is ludicrous. I've met people who believed it anyways. They were deranged.
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The Nehor wrote:The idea of an actual God in the Christian sense who made all things and has seen all eternity and who made humanity and gave them their morality failing to pass that same standard is ludicrous. I've met people who believed it anyways. They were deranged.


Still seeing things in black and white Nehor. Because a person doesn't agree with your black and white view doesn't make them deranged. But of course you need a label to explain away something you refuse to examine.
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Re: Trinity

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harmony wrote:
Infymus wrote:
harmony wrote:As for Infymus... you will be given exactly what you deserve. It is something to look forward to.


I was going to respond to this, but I figure I'll end up in some long winded debate with you telling me how I just don't get it.


ROTFL. Okay, that made me laugh. Good thing I'm not in the office yet.

You will indeed "get it". You'll get exactly what you deserve. You have, after all, earned it. :-)


I had a Bishop once tell me when I "Got It", regardless of whether or not I "deserved it", he said that God would put four more scoops of ice cream on whatever I "Got". He, like you, seemed to not comprehend when I said, "But what if I don't want it?"

Kinda like Nehor here in this thread, starts rambling off Sarek's words "Illogical! Illogical!"
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Infymus wrote:
The Nehor wrote:The idea of an actual God in the Christian sense who made all things and has seen all eternity and who made humanity and gave them their morality failing to pass that same standard is ludicrous. I've met people who believed it anyways. They were deranged.


Still seeing things in black and white Nehor. Because a person doesn't agree with your black and white view doesn't make them deranged. But of course you need a label to explain away something you refuse to examine.


You're not addressing anything I'm saying. Are you saying that a sane and rational person can believe that a God who gave humans their morality and is the source of their morality can in fact be found guilty of breaking all of his own moral laws that define what he is and still believe that God is what he claims to be?
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The Nehor wrote:
Infymus wrote:
The Nehor wrote:The idea of an actual God in the Christian sense who made all things and has seen all eternity and who made humanity and gave them their morality failing to pass that same standard is ludicrous. I've met people who believed it anyways. They were deranged.


Still seeing things in black and white Nehor. Because a person doesn't agree with your black and white view doesn't make them deranged. But of course you need a label to explain away something you refuse to examine.


You're not addressing anything I'm saying. Are you saying that a sane and rational person can believe that a God who gave humans their morality and is the source of their morality can in fact be found guilty of breaking all of his own moral laws that define what he is and still believe that God is what he claims to be?[/quote

Well, yeah. William Blake for the most part. And, though I admit to scant knowledge of relgious esoterica, isn't that rather a Gnostic premise as well?
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The Nehor wrote:
Infymus wrote:
The Nehor wrote:The idea of judging God is ridiculous. If he created us then he gave us our moral yearnings. We can't judge him as he would have given us the ability to judge and he would have at least the moral compass we have.

You can declare that God doesn't exist but to suggest that a Creator God is unjust is illogical.


No, it isn't. I'm an atheist but it doesn't stop me from stating how insane the Mormon God is. Plus, because I was Mormon for 15 years, I think I have a right to talk about it.

The idea of judging God is only ridiculous to those who will not comprehend it. Just because he created us doesn't mean we can't judge him. You are thinking too much like a Mormon as did I when I was in the cult. Even when I was a member I was told that the ability to judge God was heresy. Being told you can't judge god is exactly that - you've been told you can't. Stop thinking in only black and white terms.


You can judge the conception of God the LDS have. However if you put him in the balance and find him wanting you either have to believe he does not exist or that he is not what he claims to be....(I.e. Creator God, source of all truth and light, etc.)

The idea of an actual God in the Christian sense who made all things and has seen all eternity and who made humanity and gave them their morality failing to pass that same standard is ludicrous. I've met people who believed it anyways. They were deranged.


Half a minute. Are you saying that the LDS God made all things, is the ground of all being, and so on? You mean, for instance, that he MADE matter? One of the things I thought I had learned (with some dreary labour) about LDS theology, was that he did not.

I am of course willing to stand corrected. Or perhaps there is a divergency of LDS views on this?
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