What is LIfe After Death Like?

[_beastie]

Charity,

You're forgetting one important part of the CK.

After having nuturing your children, you will declare that you will never see those children again when they rebel against your plan for their lives, and cast them out of your presence. You will use as an excuse that they can't tolerate the glory of your presence, despite being an omnipotent being who has been able to control the power of that glory enough in the past for others to tolerate. Then, for those that remain, you will send them away to a planet and watch a good many of them torture and hate each other, suffer and die from lack of basic resources. Once more, you will ban the majority of them from your presence - sometimes just for believing the wrong thing.

Frankly, this sounds more like hell to me.

[_charity]

Charity,

You're forgetting one important part of the CK.

After having nuturing your children, you will declare that you will never see those children again when they rebel against your plan for their lives, and cast them out of your presence. You will use as an excuse that they can't tolerate the glory of your presence, despite being an omnipotent being who has been able to control the power of that glory enough in the past for others to tolerate. Then, for those that remain, you will send them away to a planet and watch a good many of them torture and hate each other, suffer and die from lack of basic resources. Once more, you will ban the majority of them from your presence - sometimes just for believing the wrong thing.

Frankly, this sounds more like hell to me.

I have considered this. I have considered the way I feel when my children do things that cause them a lot of pain and hardship. And when I am conteplating that, along with the sorrow for their pain is the awful guilt that maybe I did not teach them correctly and that I am in some measure responsible for their actions.

In the Celestial Kingdom there will be no mistakes in raising, no errors in parenting. The eternal justice will be that everyone makes their choices in complete knowledge. I think that must be how our Heavenly Parents handle that.

[_Who Knows]

In the Celestial Kingdom there will be no mistakes in raising, no errors in parenting. The eternal justice will be that everyone makes their choices in complete knowledge. I think that must be how our Heavenly Parents handle that.

Great. If I die and the 'Mormon god' is the 'true' one, I look forward to making my choice in complete knowledge. Kinda goes against what I've been taught regarding the purpose of this life, but that's cool with me.

[_beastie]

I have considered this. I have considered the way I feel when my children do things that cause them a lot of pain and hardship. And when I am conteplating that, along with the sorrow for their pain is the awful guilt that maybe I did not teach them correctly and that I am in some measure responsible for their actions.

In the Celestial Kingdom there will be no mistakes in raising, no errors in parenting. The eternal justice will be that everyone makes their choices in complete knowledge. I think that must be how our Heavenly Parents handle that.

So as long as you personally have no guilt for how you raised them, you won't be bothered by watching your children suffer (talking about random, natural suffering), torture each other, and then know you will never see them again?

You're going to be fine - in fact, you're going to have perfect joy - despite the fact that you will never again see the vast majority of your children and many of them will suffer throughout eternity - as long as you, personally, don't feel guilty over the way you raised them???

All I can say is: wow. How incredibly self-centered, perhaps even narcisstic, of you. As long as YOUR conscience is clear, you're fine with the suffering of your children, and with never seeing them again.

Is this how you operate in real life? As long as you feel good about the way you raised your kids, you can experience joy even while banning them from your presence, or watching them suffer, as long as you believe they brought it on themselves?

Sometimes parents are forced to exercise "tough love", and remove themselves from their children's lives in order to save their own lives or sanity. But this is a heartbreaking situation for parents, and I can't imagine any of them would ever claim the situation brings them joy, or that they imagine heaven could consist of an eternity of this situation, multiplied by infinity.

[_Sethbag]

What do you think your life will be like after you die?

I don't think it will be like anything at all. My cells will decay, and the materials from which my body was made will slowly return their elements into the biosphere, to be reused at some future time by other organisms.

[_truth dancer]

I have considered this. I have considered the way I feel when my children do things that cause them a lot of pain and hardship. And when I am conteplating that, along with the sorrow for their pain is the awful guilt that maybe I did not teach them correctly and that I am in some measure responsible for their actions.

In the Celestial Kingdom there will be no mistakes in raising, no errors in parenting. The eternal justice will be that everyone makes their choices in complete knowledge. I think that must be how our Heavenly Parents handle that.

Wow!

Seriously... wow!

I have no words to say to this.

So long as you are guilt free you are full of job.

So what if your children are suffering, tortured, cast out forever... FOREVER. So long as you do not have any guilt you are good to go!

Wow!

Personally one of the aspects of the CKHL that never worked for me is the idea that believers seem to hold that they can be perfectly happy and full of joy knowing their loved ones will not be there. Or, that as Heavenly parents it is not a big deal to cast out most of your children, never to be seen again.

As a child convert, not sealed to anyone, the idea of being in heaven without my family just so didn't feel like anything good or holy or of God.

I just totally can't imagine the possibility.

~dancer~

[_moksha]

I do wonder if I there will be quilting.

Can you imagine the size of the Jell-O salad at the Celestial Multi-Stake picnics? There would need to be loads of carrots, pineapple chunks and cottage cheese.

How about the playground for the Celestial rug-rats? Pretty humongous, huh!

[_charity]

I have considered this. I have considered the way I feel when my children do things that cause them a lot of pain and hardship. And when I am conteplating that, along with the sorrow for their pain is the awful guilt that maybe I did not teach them correctly and that I am in some measure responsible for their actions.

In the Celestial Kingdom there will be no mistakes in raising, no errors in parenting. The eternal justice will be that everyone makes their choices in complete knowledge. I think that must be how our Heavenly Parents handle that.

Wow!

Seriously... wow!

I have no words to say to this.

So long as you are guilt free you are full of job.

So what if your children are suffering, tortured, cast out forever... FOREVER. So long as you do not have any guilt you are good to go!

Wow!

Personally one of the aspects of the CKHL that never worked for me is the idea that believers seem to hold that they can be perfectly happy and full of joy knowing their loved ones will not be there. Or, that as Heavenly parents it is not a big deal to cast out most of your children, never to be seen again.

As a child convert, not sealed to anyone, the idea of being in heaven without my family just so didn't feel like anything good or holy or of God.

I just totally can't imagine the possibility.

~dancer~

I think most of your post depends on a level of understanding far below what we will all have when we know everything. We get so arrogant that our minds can understand what it is like to have all knowledge (which we can't even approach) that we think we know how things will be. We just plain old don't. And can't in this life.

I, too, am a convert, not sealed to my parents. Sealed to a husband and children. I am sure that my parents and I will be together. This life isn't all there is.

[_Roger Morrison]

If I get to the Celestial Kingdom, I think this is what my life will be like. Much like it is here, only incalculably better. No pain. No worry. No sleeping. Worshipping God. Associating with family and friends. Choir practice. Having children. Nurturing children. Helpi;ng in planning a new earth.

I do wonder if I there will be quilting.

You then go on to say:

I think most...(deleted)...post depend on a level of understanding far below what we will all have when we know everything. We get so arrogant that our minds can (cannot?) understand what it is like to have all knowledge (which we can't even approach) that we think we know how things will be. We just plain old don't. And can't in this life. (Bold added, & deletion, by RM)

I, too, am a convert, not sealed to my parents. Sealed to a husband and children. I am sure that my parents and I will be together. This life isn't all there is.

In which of the above statements are you being facetious? The inconsistency is glaring... At what age did you become Mormon? Why? Is it wishful thinking that you'll be with your parents? Or, do you suppose proxy work will guarantee that?

"We just plain old don't (know)." I agree. Is it then arrogance to pretend 'we' do? And, from whence your assertions?

Warm regards, Roger

[_mentalgymnast]

Sometimes parents are forced to exercise "tough love", and remove themselves from their children's lives in order to save their own lives or sanity. But this is a heartbreaking situation for parents, and I can't imagine any of them would ever claim the situation brings them joy, or that they imagine heaven could consist of an eternity of this situation, multiplied by infinity.

I think you've hit the nail on the head...well, a bit off center, but close. I think "tough love" plays a big part in the eternal scheme of things. I doubt that heavenly parents feel any joy in seeing that some of their kids don't want to return back home or come to family reunions.

The interesting thing in Mormon theology though, is that there appears to be some kind of allowance for heavenly influence/connection with all of Heavenly Father's children who are spread out amongst the various kingdoms of glory.

Regards,
MG