What happened to the seer stones?

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Doesn't a seer stone work similar to the liahona? You have to have immense faith before it will start working?
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Runtu wrote:On the other board, more than one person is saying that seer stones were just a local phenomenon and that we have no use for such "worthless" relics of a more superstitious age. I can't figure out how anyone could square this attitude with D&C scriptures that clearly tell us that seer stones will play a prominent role in our individual destinies.


Oh Johnny, how long have you been around apologetics???

It's so simple...continuing revelation!

Sethbag had the best post ever on this!!

116 Pages

Sethbag wrote:Asked and answered, eh? Hardly. You know that the Lord uses the knowledge for a given time period exactly how? Because some charltan from a given time period told you so?

So, if the Lord reveals stuff to Gordon B. Hinckley today, do you suppose he would do it by email? Or would the Lord prove he's hip and send Gordon a text by phone?

"Hey, how R U? LOL! Start polygamy again. I explain l8r. CYA, LOL!"
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Runtu wrote:On the other board, more than one person is saying that seer stones were just a local phenomenon and that we have no use for such "worthless" relics of a more superstitious age. I can't figure out how anyone could square this attitude with D&C scriptures that clearly tell us that seer stones will play a prominent role in our individual destinies.


Local in what sense? They were used everywhere the Mormons settled to my knowledge---even after Joseph Smith in Utah. In fact there was a rash of seer stonery around Parowan that apparently "got out of hand" at one point (people having too much of their own revelations, etc.).
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Blixa wrote:
Runtu wrote:On the other board, more than one person is saying that seer stones were just a local phenomenon and that we have no use for such "worthless" relics of a more superstitious age. I can't figure out how anyone could square this attitude with D&C scriptures that clearly tell us that seer stones will play a prominent role in our individual destinies.


Local in what sense? They were used everywhere the Mormons settled to my knowledge---even after Joseph Smith in Utah. In fact there was a rash of seer stonery around Parowan that apparently "got out of hand" at one point (people having too much of their own revelations, etc.).


That's why this is so interesting. I expected people to be a little cautious in opining about seer stones, but I never thought they'd completely dismiss them. How do you deal with the Book of Mormon translation and the revelations received by seer stone if these are worthless relics of a credulous age?
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Scottie wrote:Doesn't a seer stone work similar to the liahona? You have to have immense faith before it will start working?


I don't know about immense but yeah, you need some. It's a tool, not an independently operating magic device.
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Runtu wrote:
Blixa wrote:
Runtu wrote:On the other board, more than one person is saying that seer stones were just a local phenomenon and that we have no use for such "worthless" relics of a more superstitious age. I can't figure out how anyone could square this attitude with D&C scriptures that clearly tell us that seer stones will play a prominent role in our individual destinies.


Local in what sense? They were used everywhere the Mormons settled to my knowledge---even after Joseph Smith in Utah. In fact there was a rash of seer stonery around Parowan that apparently "got out of hand" at one point (people having too much of their own revelations, etc.).


That's why this is so interesting. I expected people to be a little cautious in opining about seer stones, but I never thought they'd completely dismiss them. How do you deal with the Book of Mormon translation and the revelations received by seer stone if these are worthless relics of a credulous age?


A wizard did it.
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Scottie wrote:Doesn't a seer stone work similar to the liahona? You have to have immense faith before it will start working?


Yes to that.

The seer stone Joseph used to finish translating the Book of Mormon is in the possession of the Church. The Urim and Thummim were taken back when Joseph let Martin Harris take the 166 pages and lost them.
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charity wrote:
Scottie wrote:Doesn't a seer stone work similar to the liahona? You have to have immense faith before it will start working?


Yes to that.

The seer stone Joseph used to finish translating the Book of Mormon is in the possession of the Church. The Urim and Thummim were taken back when Joseph let Martin Harris take the 166 pages and lost them.


That's my impression, as well. I take it you do not subscribe to the idea that seer stones are relics of a credulous and superstitious time.
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Scottie wrote:Doesn't a seer stone work similar to the liahona? You have to have immense faith before it will start working?

And some pretty serious chemicals in the bloodstream, too.
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Runtu wrote:
I take it you do not subscribe to the idea that seer stones are relics of a credulous and superstitious time.



Revelations 2:17 and D&C 130: 10-11 both talk about a white stone. I don't think it is a superstitious idea.
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