Luckless Nephite DNA and the Maya

[simon southerton]

Simon, I really think you'll change your position after watching the new Witnesses movie.

Hard to compete with Heartsell(R), and don't they know it.

[Bought Yahoo]

Dr. Sorenson was a heretic. He is not Mormonism.

Then Daniel Peterson, Terryl Givens, Richard Bushman and all the other Sorenson Limited Geography sycophants are heretics too.

They don't exactly sign on to Dr. Sorenson, although I don't know much about Givens.

The problems with the Sorenson model, as well as FARMS support for it, is documented in a paper of mine: https://bobcrockettlaw.com/wp-content/u ... 18-v.1.pdf.

There's lots and lots of problems and issues. For one thing, Sorenson talks repeatedly about using the scientific method to support his views, but he ignores statistical cartographic measures available to him, he relies upon triple hearsay statements from Joseph Smith. Anyhoo, it is in my paper.

[Res Ipsa]

Then Daniel Peterson, Terryl Givens, Richard Bushman and all the other Sorenson Limited Geography sycophants are heretics too.

They don't exactly sign on to Dr. Sorenson, although I don't know much about Givens.

The problems with the Sorenson model, as well as FARMS support for it, is documented in a paper of mine: https://bobcrockettlaw.com/wp-content/u ... 18-v.1.pdf.

There's lots and lots of problems and issues. For one thing, Sorenson talks repeatedly about using the scientific method to support his views, but he ignores statistical cartographic measures available to him, he relies upon triple hearsay statements from Joseph Smith. Anyhoo, it is in my paper.

Thanks, Bought. Interesting paper. It looks like it wasn't put into final form. Did you ever submit it anywhere?

[Bought Yahoo]

They don't exactly sign on to Dr. Sorenson, although I don't know much about Givens.

The problems with the Sorenson model, as well as FARMS support for it, is documented in a paper of mine: https://bobcrockettlaw.com/wp-content/u ... 18-v.1.pdf.

There's lots and lots of problems and issues. For one thing, Sorenson talks repeatedly about using the scientific method to support his views, but he ignores statistical cartographic measures available to him, he relies upon triple hearsay statements from Joseph Smith. Anyhoo, it is in my paper.

Thanks, Bought. Interesting paper. It looks like it wasn't put into final form. Did you ever submit it anywhere?

I tried Dialogue and didn't receive any response and then gave up. It needs to be tightened (organized better) and sources finished.

[Res Ipsa]

Yeah, a little finish work. Updating maybe. Anyway, I enjoyed the comprehensive look at the LGT.

[simon southerton]

Then Daniel Peterson, Terryl Givens, Richard Bushman and all the other Sorenson Limited Geography sycophants are heretics too.

They don't exactly sign on to Dr. Sorenson, although I don't know much about Givens.

If they don't sign on to Sorenson's model, why did all three write such glowing endorsements of Sorenson's magnum opus, Mormon's Codex, that are published on the Deseret Books website?

Mormon’s Codex is the culmination of a lifetime’s labor by Mormonism’s preeminent Mesoamerican specialist. Since 1949 John Sorenson has been collecting archaeological and anthropological evidence to show that Joseph Smith translated the Book of Mormon from a native Mesoamerican codex, or book. Now, having assembled a mountain of evidence, he boldly challenges scholars to take the Book of Mormon seriously as a priceless source of information about Mesoamerican history and culture. —Richard Lyman Bushman

Mormon’s Codex will immediately serve as the high-water mark of scholarship on the Book of Mormon. —Terryl L. Givens

For decades, John Sorenson has been among the foremost students of the Book of Mormon, and the principal advocate for a limited Mesoamerican geography. I vividly remember the excitement of reading An Ancient American Setting for the Book of Mormon back in 1985. Now, in Mormon’s Codex, we have the rich results of nearly 30 years of additional study. I have eagerly anticipated this book. —Daniel C. Peterson

[Philo Sofee]

Then Daniel Peterson, Terryl Givens, Richard Bushman and all the other Sorenson Limited Geography sycophants are heretics too.

They don't exactly sign on to Dr. Sorenson, although I don't know much about Givens.

The problems with the Sorenson model, as well as FARMS support for it, is documented in a paper of mine: https://bobcrockettlaw.com/wp-content/u ... 18-v.1.pdf.

There's lots and lots of problems and issues. For one thing, Sorenson talks repeatedly about using the scientific method to support his views, but he ignores statistical cartographic measures available to him, he relies upon triple hearsay statements from Joseph Smith. Anyhoo, it is in my paper.

That was a very interesting read Bought.... one of the most realistic and objective I have ever read on that subject, which, once again, demonstrates to me at least, that Phil Jenkins knew exactly what he was talking about while Bill Hamblin just swam around and drowned for lack of anything credible. That one cannot even get a good footing on where anything happened with the Book of Mormon is pretty much damning for its historic reality until something does come around, if it even can. There is literally no large ancient history book with this problem except the Book of Mormon. And given all the putative claims of such vast and important necessity for God to get his message to people in the Last Days, from the church authorities, it really does seem truly bizarre and seriously questionable that God simply won't give out a simple revelation and a one time clue which leads to the historic reality of the Book of Mormon. He allowed that with the Bible, the Quran, and other sacred texts. Why not with the Book of Mormon simply makes no sense based on how much the church has tried to convince everyone how important it is to God that people believe the Book of Mormon. I seriously doubt God gives a flying flip at all. If He does literally nothing to change that tells me someone is barking up the wrong tree.

[IHAQ]

They don't exactly sign on to Dr. Sorenson, although I don't know much about Givens.

If they don't sign on to Sorenson's model, why did all three write such glowing endorsements of Sorenson's magnum opus, Mormon's Codex, that are published on the Deseret Books website?

Mormon’s Codex is the culmination of a lifetime’s labor by Mormonism’s preeminent Mesoamerican specialist. Since 1949 John Sorenson has been collecting archaeological and anthropological evidence to show that Joseph Smith translated the Book of Mormon from a native Mesoamerican codex, or book. Now, having assembled a mountain of evidence, he boldly challenges scholars to take the Book of Mormon seriously as a priceless source of information about Mesoamerican history and culture. —Richard Lyman Bushman

Mormon’s Codex will immediately serve as the high-water mark of scholarship on the Book of Mormon. —Terryl L. Givens

For decades, John Sorenson has been among the foremost students of the Book of Mormon, and the principal advocate for a limited Mesoamerican geography. I vividly remember the excitement of reading An Ancient American Setting for the Book of Mormon back in 1985. Now, in Mormon’s Codex, we have the rich results of nearly 30 years of additional study. I have eagerly anticipated this book. —Daniel C. Peterson

I'm pretty sure one of them hosts tours based on Sorenson's Mesoamerican theory.

[Bought Yahoo]

They don't exactly sign on to Dr. Sorenson, although I don't know much about Givens.

If they don't sign on to Sorenson's model, why did all three write such glowing endorsements of Sorenson's magnum opus, Mormon's Codex, that are published on the Deseret Books website?

Mormon’s Codex is the culmination of a lifetime’s labor by Mormonism’s preeminent Mesoamerican specialist. Since 1949 John Sorenson has been collecting archaeological and anthropological evidence to show that Joseph Smith translated the Book of Mormon from a native Mesoamerican codex, or book. Now, having assembled a mountain of evidence, he boldly challenges scholars to take the Book of Mormon seriously as a priceless source of information about Mesoamerican history and culture. —Richard Lyman Bushman

Mormon’s Codex will immediately serve as the high-water mark of scholarship on the Book of Mormon. —Terryl L. Givens

For decades, John Sorenson has been among the foremost students of the Book of Mormon, and the principal advocate for a limited Mesoamerican geography. I vividly remember the excitement of reading An Ancient American Setting for the Book of Mormon back in 1985. Now, in Mormon’s Codex, we have the rich results of nearly 30 years of additional study. I have eagerly anticipated this book. —Daniel C. Peterson

Well, I don't understand it. Sorenson's work is so technically deficient. As far as I know, nobody in BYU in his department supports or endorses Sorenson and in fact have come out against it at times. Dr. Mark Allan Wright at BYU is a MesoAmericanist and he endorses Dr. Sorenson's work but he works in the Department of Religion. Sorenson's two books have not been peer reviewed. He obviously knows how to get his works peer reviewed, as he has published some obscure and largely unreadable works in diffusionism.

Like I say, Dr. Sorenson is not Mormonism. And I certainly am not a heartland guy, either.

[kairos]

Wayne May and Rodney Meldrum are anxious to peer review all things Mesoamerican in Mormonland!

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