I need some old time religion from the eighties.

[_Moniker]

I don't either? Perhaps no more questions should be posed to me?

Assume answers will always be as such: "no?"

[_beastie]

Could it have to do with the priesthood correlation committee? I don't remember much about what occurred with this, but do remember that when I was at BYU in the early eighties, members were told we could not have informal meetings on our own (like some sisters were meeting informally for support, or meeting for scripture study). I never understood why they did this, but in retrospect, it seems part of the desire to control what is discussed. And was the church always so strict in regards to pushing teachers to teach straight out of the manual?

[_truth dancer]

Could it have to do with the priesthood correlation committee? I don't remember much about what occurred with this, but do remember that when I was at BYU in the early eighties, members were told we could not have informal meetings on our own (like some sisters were meeting informally for support, or meeting for scripture study). I never understood why they did this, but in retrospect, it seems part of the desire to control what is discussed. And was the church always so strict in regards to pushing teachers to teach straight out of the manual?

I remember this as well.

A few stay at home moms in my neighborhood were meeting once a week for an hour to study scriptures together and we were counseled by our ward leaders (under direction of higher ups), to stop our meetings. I was a faithful and believing member at the time and quickly obeyed. :-)

~dancer~

[_Yoda]

Proclamation to the Church:

Due to an imbalance in the Church members psyche, we the brethren hereby state that the women of the church are no longer allowed to watch Oprah, the Oxygen Network, or the Lifetime Channel. This ban includes the Lifetime Movie Network.

We would also encourage the men of the church to take the reigns in their households and stop allowing your wives and teenage daughters to manipulate you with that babytalk thing they do. Also you shoudl avoid puppydog eyes and tempertantrum guilt trips spurred on by those "not so fresh" days.

Sincerely,

The First Presidency

Gaz....You better hope that you are never alone in a dark alley with a group of pre-menstrual females from the forum. The body would have to be disposed of quickly.

;)

[_Yoda]

None of you is correct. When I say the Church has become feminized, it is in the context that both male and female aspects are necessary. Not one or the other alone.

It is to that effect that we have become overly sensitve especially with regard to lessons in the Church. The unstated rule is that there must be no debate and no disagreement because we then are in opposition to "the more spiritually in tuned woman".

There is, in Mormon mythology (which does exist), the notion that women are more spiritual than men and men go along with it! The fact is that the sexes are capable of equal spirituality, just expressed in different ways.

This is an interesting view, BC. Do you think that this is why there is less discussion about polygamy and the doctrine of plural marriage? It seems that in the 80's, it was much more freely discussed. Now the Church distances itself from the doctrine like the plague. The concept of plural marriage, even though it is still considered an eternal law as far as the temple is concerned, has been completely sanitized from all manuals, etc.

Do you think this has to do with the whole concept of not making women upset? Is this the material you were referring to? Just curious.

[_skippy the dead]

None of you is correct. When I say the Church has become feminized, it is in the context that both male and female aspects are necessary. Not one or the other alone.

It is to that effect that we have become overly sensitve especially with regard to lessons in the Church. The unstated rule is that there must be no debate and no disagreement because we then are in opposition to "the more spiritually in tuned woman".

There is, in Mormon mythology (which does exist), the notion that women are more spiritual than men and men go along with it! The fact is that the sexes are capable of equal spirituality, just expressed in different ways.

This is an interesting view, BC. Do you think that this is why there is less discussion about polygamy and the doctrine of plural marriage? It seems that in the 80's, it was much more freely discussed. Now the Church distances itself from the doctrine like the plague. The concept of plural marriage, even though it is still considered an eternal law as far as the temple is concerned, has been completely sanitized from all manuals, etc.

Do you think this has to do with the whole concept of not making women upset? Is this the material you were referring to? Just curious.

I think his statement is pure baloney. It is nonsensical to even suggest that a strict patriarchal institution such as the LDS Church would base its conduct on any perceived sensitivity of women. Show me where there is any suggestion of this from the brethren.

by the way - I think the myth of women in the church being more spiritual is mainly just a bone thrown to women to explain why men "need" the priesthood. I don't think anybody in power (i.e., the men wielding their priesthood) give this any real credence (nor do I think many women).

[_Yoda]

by the way - I think the myth of women in the church being more spiritual is mainly just a bone thrown to women to explain why men "need" the priesthood. I don't think anybody in power (I.e., the men wielding their priesthood) give this any real credence (nor do I think many women).

I agree. I think it's more of an example of the "Madonna/Whore" mindset that is prevalent in rank and file Catholicism.

[_bcspace]

This is an interesting view, BC. Do you think that this is why there is less discussion about polygamy and the doctrine of plural marriage?

Less deep discussion. It gets some play almost every Sunday, but usually as a joke (I like jokes too).

It seems that in the 80's, it was much more freely discussed. Now the Church distances itself from the doctrine like the plague.

Better to hit it head on imho. It's quite scriptural.

The concept of plural marriage, even though it is still considered an eternal law as far as the temple is concerned, has been completely sanitized from all manuals, etc.

Not really. Several manuals address it. For example...

1. Jacob condemns the unauthorized practice of plural marriage
• Whom did the Nephites claim as examples to justify their whoredoms? (See Jacob 2:23–24.) Why were David and Solomon unworthy examples? (See D&C 132:38–39. The Lord gave wives and concubines to David and Solomon, but they sinned by marrying additional wives outside of the covenant.) You may want to explain that anciently, a concubine was not an immoral mistress, but a legal wife of lesser social standing (see Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, 2nd ed. [1966], 154).

• What marriage law did Jacob teach to the Nephites? (See Jacob 2:27–28.)

The Prophet Joseph Smith taught, “I have constantly said no man shall have but one wife at a time, unless the Lord directs otherwise” (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, sel. Joseph Fielding Smith [1976], 324).

Explain that the Lord gave such direction (see D&C 132), but He later withdrew His sanction of plural marriage when conditions changed (see Official Declaration 1). Emphasize that the law of the Lord regarding marriage today is the same as it was in Jacob’s day.

Lesson 12: “Seek Ye for the Kingdom of God”, Book of Mormon Gospel Doctrine Teacher’s Manual,51

Do you think this has to do with the whole concept of not making women upset? Is this the material you were referring to? Just curious.

Bingo. We're whipped.

[_Gazelam]

[_bcspace]

Good one Gaze.