Evolution For Coggies

Post by **_bcspace** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 4:34 am

Is that clearer?

Yes, thank you.

Admittedly, this idea makes it possible that, while the earth was created in a telestial state, at some point, after 4.5 or so billion years of preparation, it was raised, for a short time, to a paradisaical state so Adam could fall. I am saying that this "raising" could be understood as a 'creation". That's not Church doctrine of course, but right now, its the only way I can see to have both "creation in a paradisaical state" and the obvious mortality that obtained for billions of years prior to the Fall.

Do you see what I'm getting at here?

I think so. For the moment, I would only question the notion that the whole earth was in this state while Adam and Eve were ripening in the Garden.

Post by **_Gazelam** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 4:49 am

Its really quite simple, heres Chi-chi to explain:

Man was CREATED IN the image of God. Any evolution that has taken place has taken place from the time of Noah till now.

Period.

Post by **_Coggins7** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 4:52 am

Man was CREATED IN the image of God. Any evolution that has taken place has taken place from the time of Noah till now.

Period.

bc, tear into 'em

Post by **_Coggins7** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 4:59 am

I think so. For the moment, I would only question the notion that the whole earth was in this state while Adam and Eve were ripening in the Garden.

This seems, however, to be the general trend of General Authority teaching since the Church's inception. Are there any GAs who have expressed alternative views (especially Church presidents)?

The Church teaches, to the best of my understanding (and this is what I've always been taught, from Seminary to Institute to Gospel Doctrine class, out of Church manuals) that the entire earth was in a Paradisaical state at the point at which Adam fell, and that fall brought death upon the entire earth. Adam's fall brought mortal conditions upon the entire planet. Hence, Christ will redeem, not only mankind, but the entire earth and all organic life upon it. The Fall was universal, and hence, resurrection and salvation from the Fall is universal, and covers all things created by Christ and under his authority and power.

This seems to be settled doctrine. How could this be reconciled with a limited geographic area subject to paradisaical conditions?

Post by **_Jersey Girl** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 5:08 am

Gazelam wrote:Its really quite simple, heres Chi-chi to explain:

Man was CREATED IN the image of God. Any evolution that has taken place has taken place from the time of Noah till now.

Period.

What is your definition of "evolution"?

Post by **_Gazelam** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 5:17 am

What is your definition of "evolution"?

I heard that cheetahs spots are going from spots to stripes in recent years, so there ya go.

http://www.messybeast.com/genetics/mutant-cheetahs.html

Post by **_Gazelam** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 5:28 am

And lets not forget all the Liger's

Post by **_The Nehor** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 5:30 am

Gazelam wrote:And lets not forget all the Liger's

I want one!

Post by **_Jersey Girl** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 5:31 am

I was hoping for a serious reply, Gaz. Thanks anyway.

Post by **_Moniker** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 5:52 am

HOLY FRICKIN HELL!!!!!!!! GAZ!!!!!!!

You made me choke on my popcorn.

Get outta my thread unless you're willing to say something snarky to Coggins.