Interesting prohibitions

[_charity]

I am sure that there is something to messing up lineage, as I did say.

Doesn't polyandry in the early church also mess up lineage?

There is no evidence of offspring in the polyandrous sealings. No lineage to mess up.

[_John Larsen]

I am sure that there is something to messing up lineage, as I did say.

Doesn't polyandry in the early church also mess up lineage?

Doesn't adoption also mess up the lineage, by this line of reasoning?

[_John Larsen]

What, exactly, does "strongly discouraged" mean? Or is this another example of Church duplicity?

John

Don't know. I think it means what it says. They don't like it much, and they discourage it. But if you do it nobody is going to kick you out.

I personally know of at least one individual who was disciplined for getting a vasectomy. Publically sanctioning individuals goes beyond "not liking it".

[_charity]

I am sure that there is something to messing up lineage, as I did say.

Doesn't polyandry in the early church also mess up lineage?

Doesn't adoption also mess up the lineage, by this line of reasoning?

You neglected to post here that I replied to you that there is no evidence of offspring in the case of the polyandrous sealings. So I repeated it.

To your last question. I can see the point. But a couple adopting a baby not of their own seems to be much different. There are no couple issues involved. However, if the wife is impregnated with donor sperm, or a surrogate mother is articially inseminated with the husband's sperm, I can see sealing issues.

But I don't really know, of course.

[_John Larsen]

I am sure that there is something to messing up lineage, as I did say.

Doesn't polyandry in the early church also mess up lineage?

Doesn't adoption also mess up the lineage, by this line of reasoning?

You neglected to post here that I replied to you that there is no evidence of offspring in the case of the polyandrous sealings. So I repeated it.

To your last question. I can see the point. But a couple adopting a baby not of their own seems to be much different. There are no couple issues involved. However, if the wife is impregnated with donor sperm, or a surrogate mother is articially inseminated with the husband's sperm, I can see sealing issues.

But I don't really know, of course.

Zina had a daughter of Brigham Young.

[_harmony]

1. Is there a prohibition against being or using Mormon sperm donors? Are there guidelines?

GHBI Vol 1 Page 188:

The donation of sperm is strongly discouraged.

Do you think it's strongly discouraged because of the method of collecting the sperm?

2. Is there a prohibition against Mormon surrogate mothers?

Surrogate motherhood is strongly discouraged.

But not prohibited? So why is a single woman unable to be artificially inseminated?

Under what conditions would either of those be okay? prohibited?

While the handbook says strongly discouraged it seems that it is up to the person to decide.

Wow. That leaves the door wide open.

How deep is the prohibition? Is either an excommunicatable offense

No neither would cause a member to be ex'd. Neither are even mentioned in the section on discipline.

Well, that's comforting.

Thanks, Jason!

[_Runtu]

You neglected to post here that I replied to you that there is no evidence of offspring in the case of the polyandrous sealings. So I repeated it.

Hmmm. Has Josephine Lyons been ruled out as a daughter of Joseph Smith? If so, I am unaware of it. So far, she's the strongest case for offspring. Be that as it may, the evidence is pretty good that the polyandrous sealings involved sexuality.

To your last question. I can see the point. But a couple adopting a baby not of their own seems to be much different. There are no couple issues involved. However, if the wife is impregnated with donor sperm, or a surrogate mother is articially inseminated with the husband's sperm, I can see sealing issues.

But I don't really know, of course.

So, if I'm sealed to my family and I donate sperm, is that child sealed to me too?

[_charity]

Hmmm. Has Josephine Lyons been ruled out as a daughter of Joseph Smith? If so, I am unaware of it. So far, she's the strongest case for offspring.

As I understand it, all the males who have made claims or had claims made on their behalf of Joseph Smith being their father have definitely been ruled out. And they have been trying to determine Josephine Lyons paternity for a number of years now and haven't been able to do it, since paternity of females is a more difficult job. But with all their efforts, they have not been able to prove a positive.

So, if I'm sealed to my family and I donate sperm, is that child sealed to me too?

I think this is the murky part. Which is probably why surrogacy and an A.I. are discouraged.

[_Boaz & Lidia]

I won't comment on official policy, but this is too funny not to share.

We were having a 5th Sunday adult meeting during third hour and the bishop was fielding questions. Someone aske dther question about A.I., and one of the young mothers, holdintg her 4 month old, said, "I was articially inseminated." Her husband, fairly yelled, "YOU WERE NOT!" Then she explained that she meant her mother was and that was how she was conceived. It was hard to maintain composure, and the bishop smiled and said, "Well, Sister X, we are glad you are here."

Did she bury her testiphony about this?

"I am thankful for the porno mags back then that helped my biological father masturbate to the point of ejaculating what would become me, into a cup."

She is not walking porn, but a product of porn?

Later the guys from the EQ teased her husband and nicknamed him "turkey blaster".