liz3564 wrote:Actually, the thoughts in Juliann's blog express more closely the Juliann I actually "knew" and became friends with when I was a Mod at FAIR.
We actually agreed, more than disagreed, on many of these women's issues. This is why, when the rift between us occurred, I was so hurt.
Frankly, I'm glad that Juliann is posting these things, and trusting more of her "real self" to shine through.
I think that if her view is accepted, it will be a better thing for the MAD Board.
Yes, see---this is exactly why I found her postings to be so fascinating. On the one hand, they seem to embrace a more liberal, pro-women point of view, and yet, on the other hand, these postings run contrary to so many of the things juliann has said elsewhere, and they also contradict many of the Brethren's proclamations. I wonder how long it will take before juliann receives a tongue-lashing from some of the more uppity male posters at MAD---guys such as Smac and urroner, for example.
Scratch wrote:I wonder how long it will take before juliann receives a tongue-lashing from some of the more uppity male posters at MAD---guys such as Smac and urroner, for example.
Oh, I hope they DO say something! Juliann will have the last laugh. It's HER board, after all.
Those guys will find out rather quickly who REALLY wears the pants in the MAD family.
Mister Scratch wrote:I have to say, I am utterly godsmacked over what I've just read.
Godsmacked? Is that when you're flabbergasted by something religious in nature? I would have used "gobsmacked", but maybe I'm wrong.
I'm sincerely asking, actually. I thought "gobsmacked" was the word basically meaning "struck speechless" and Godsmack was a rock band.
Anyway, Henry Jacobs is correct, in my opinion. I've noticed that women in the Mormon church often criticize other females, but rarely offer criticism, no matter how deserved, to male authority figures.
In the most recent WWL training on raising up a righteous posterity Sister Beck was part of a panel discussion including Elder Oaks, Holland the Primary Pres and the YW pres. The discussion moved towards comments about not putting off having children for career, school and so on. Sister Beck said We have Children not because we have money but because we have faith. This seems to echo her sentiments from her conference address.
Jason Bourne wrote:In the most recent WWL training on raising up a righteous posterity Sister Beck was part of a panel discussion including Elder Oaks, Holland the Primary Pres and the YW pres. The discussion moved towards comments about not putting off having children for career, school and so on. Sister Beck said We have Children not because we have money but because we have faith. This seems to echo her sentiments from her conference address.
In this panel she says it is a sign of righteousness to desire children. I say hogwash. In desiring children, it's a sign you are an animal with the natural impulse to propegate the species.
Besides, I see nothing righteous about Angelina Jolie, Britney Spears, or Andrea Yates.
"I think one of the great mysteries of the gospel is that anyone still believes it." Sethbag, MADB, Feb 22 2008
Jason Bourne wrote:In the most recent WWL training on raising up a righteous posterity Sister Beck was part of a panel discussion including Elder Oaks, Holland the Primary Pres and the YW pres. The discussion moved towards comments about not putting off having children for career, school and so on. Sister Beck said We have Children not because we have money but because we have faith. This seems to echo her sentiments from her conference address.
From what I can gather, Sis Beck knows nothing about not having money. Sis Beck was born with a silver spoon in her mouth and married a banker. Sis Beck needs to live life outside the boundaries of her plush SLC neighborhood. .. If Sis Beck is indeed who I was told she is. She is the president of the Relief Society general board, right? (a more meaningless calling would be hard to find.)
Sister Beck is the General President of the Relief Society and has created somewhat of a stir in her comments that focus on traditional families, women being homemakers, strongly encouraging child bearing sooner rather than later and so on. Some women take exception to her remarks.
Julianne's comments are interesting. Even astounding. She seems to think there is safety in having a vanilla flavored Church culture. Maybe this is really what the Church is and wants. But I like flavor and diversity. I wish we could find forums for healthy debate and discussions about controversial issues within the Church confines. Her comments remind me of a comment made by a woman in my ward and was also a friend. Our previous SP (and current one for that matter) lean politically liberal and are democrats. The last SP liked to poke fun at himself in public remarks and even by a little flamboyant along with self deprecating about his democratic party tendencies. One time this woman in total seriousness said how appalled she was that such a man could be called as and SP. "How can anyone be an active LDS and a democrat is beyond me." When I told her that our SP had said to me when we had friendly political debates that his view was that at least as far as caring for the poor the Democrats more reflected his understanding of what Jesus taught it sent this woman for a loop.
Jason Bourne wrote:Sister Beck is the General President of the Relief Society and has created somewhat of a stir in her comments that focus on traditional families, women being homemakers, strongly encouraging child bearing sooner rather than later and so on. Some women take exception to her remarks.
Julianne's comments are interesting. Even astounding. She seems to think there is safety in having a vanilla flavored Church culture. Maybe this is really what the Church is and wants. But I like flavor and diversity. I wish we could find forums for healthy debate and discussions about controversial issues within the Church confines. Her comments remind me of a comment made by a woman in my ward and was also a friend. Our previous SP (and current one for that matter) lean politically liberal and are democrats. The last SP liked to poke fun at himself in public remarks and even by a little flamboyant along with self deprecating about his democratic party tendencies. One time this woman in total seriousness said how appalled she was that such a man could be called as and SP. "How can anyone be an active LDS and a democrat is beyond me." When I told her that our SP had said to me when we had friendly political debates that his view was that at least as far as caring for the poor the Democrats more reflected his understanding of what Jesus taught it sent this woman for a loop.
John Larsen wrote:I think watching this whole thing unfold has been very interesting. It is telling that the Church has lost a lot of power with its own membership.