Call for BCSpace to explain the TRUE doctrine of polygamy

[_bcspace]

Yes and yes. Not directly on that second, but she once said it would be fun to be head wife. I said, just bring me a batch of your choosing and I'll pick from the batch. She said "Okay!"

;)

What makes her think she would be the head wife? If you married a woman with a more dominant personality, and maybe another woman that's super hot, and another that's young and bubbly, your wife might end up being pushed to the bottom of the plural wife org chart.

lol

Who says I cannot impose order on my harem?

[_Brackite]

Yes and yes. Not directly on that second, but she once said it would be fun to be head wife. I said, just bring me a batch of your choosing and I'll pick from the batch. She said "Okay!"

;)

What makes her think she would be the head wife? If you married a woman with a more dominant personality, and maybe another woman that's super hot, and another that's young and bubbly, your wife might end up being pushed to the bottom of the plural wife org chart.

lol

Who says I cannot impose order on my harem?

That is Pretty Much the Typical Average TBM LDS Male attitude.

[_Brackite]

Here is the classic 'Heroic Monogamy in the Book of Mormon' Post, from 'onandagus'(Don), from the "FAIR"/MA&D Message Board:

Heroic Monogamy in the Book of Mormon

One thing worth pointing out is just how different the Book of Mormon's overall view of polygamy is from that of the Bible. It is not only among the Lehites that polygamy is an unrighteous practice. Among the Jaredites, it is only the wicked kings who are described as having multiple wives; and among the righteous kings we have a righteous example of monogamy so heroic and absolute as to at least border on the absurd:

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Ether9:
23 And it came to pass that Coriantum did walk in the steps of his father, and did build many mighty cities, and did administer that which was good unto his people in all his days. And it came to pass that he had no children even until he was exceedingly old.

24 And it came to pass that his wife died, being an hundred and two years old. And it came to pass that Coriantum took to wife, in his old age, a young maid, and begat sons and daughters; wherefore he lived until he was an hundred and forty and two years old.

Here we have a monogamous king who refuses to take a second wife even to raise up seed even unto himself. With his entire dynasty on the line, Coriantum lives monogamously and faithfully with his barren queen until he is well past the age to which he could reasonably have expected to live, and then takes another (singular) wife in his old age, for all of which he is blessed with sons and daughters and the continuation of his kingdom by monogamous means. What kind of king would really have acted so suicidally with respect to his dynasty? Only one absolutely committed to monogamy.

I'd like to note again that the Book of Mormon juxtaposes and opposes monogamy and having "many" wives. There are no descriptions of polygamy in which the wives are not described as number "many." It would appear that for the Book of Mormon one has "one" wife or "many" wives. And Coriantum stayed with the universal Book of Mormon standard of one, when even an additional one was obviously enough to preserve his line.

Don

( http://www.mormonapologetics.org/index. ... 529&st=140 )

I wander what our friend Bcspace here, thinks about that classic Post? I love that classic Post, because I definitely believe and know that the Lord God of the Book of Mormon is Pro-Monogamy, and Not Pro-Polygamy. I definitely believe that the Lord God of the Book of Mormon is anti-Polygamy. I also believe from this, that the Lord God never commanded Joseph Smith, BY, or HCK to enter into Polygamy, mainly because their legal wives were all fertile.

[_bcspace]

Who says I cannot impose order on my harem?

That is Pretty Much the Typical Average TBM LDS Male attitude.[/quote

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The inability to parse humor is a significant problem in your life I see.

[_Brackite]

Who says I cannot impose order on my harem?

That is Pretty Much the Typical Average TBM LDS Male attitude.[/quote

]

The inability to parse humor is a significant problem in your life I see.

You still haven't explained how there is going to be a lot of Polygamy Practiced in the Celestial Kingdom, yet there will be no Polyandry Practiced in the Celestial Kingdom, when there are 105 boys born for every 100 girls.

[_bcspace]

The inability to parse humor is a significant problem in your life I see.

You still haven't explained how there is going to be a lot of Polygamy Practiced in the Celestial Kingdom, yet there will be no Polyandry Practiced in the Celestial Kingdom, when there are 105 boys born for every 100 girls.

Your error in correlation should be obvious even to you. Any consideration of birth ratio does not apply here. What does apply is the ratio of women to men in the highest degree of the CK (where marriage is practiced). If every man in that degree of the CK must be married to at least one woman, what do you think the ratio would look like?

[_Brackite]

The inability to parse humor is a significant problem in your life I see.

You still haven't explained how there is going to be a lot of Polygamy Practiced in the Celestial Kingdom, yet there will be no Polyandry Practiced in the Celestial Kingdom, when there are 105 boys born for every 100 girls.

Your error in correlation should be obvious even to you. Any consideration of birth ratio does not apply here. What does apply is the ratio of women to men in the highest degree of the CK (where marriage is practiced). If every man in that degree of the CK must be married to at least one woman, what do you think the ratio would look like?

Hello,

The ratio will be at least 200 females, for every 100 males, in the highest degree of the Celestial Kingdom. However, there are 105 boys born on earth here, for every 100 girls born.
And Plus You, stated in another Discussion thread here:

Since plural marriage exists, there will obviously be more women in the highest degree than men. Perhaps it's not a matter of need to populate and more of a need to be married.

( http://mormondiscussions.com/discuss/vi ... ht=#134446 )

Yet, for every 100 girls born on earth here, there are five more boys that are born on earth here, than there are girlsborn here. There are more boys born on this earth here, than are girls born on this earth. There are indeed 105 boys born on earth here, for every 100 girls on earth here.
Please See (Again):
http://geography.about.com/library/faq/ ... eratio.htm

If there are more boys born here on this earth, than there are girls born on this earth here, than how come there will 'obviously be more women in the highest degree of the Celestial Kingdom than men?' The math just doesn't seem to add up here, at least for me it sure just doesn't seem to add up here.
Here is 2 Nephi Chapter 26, Verse 33, in the Book of Mormon:

2 Nephi 26:33:

[33] For none of these iniquities come of the Lord; for he doeth that which is good among the children of men; and he doeth nothing save it be plain unto the children of men; and he inviteth them all to come unto him and partake of his goodness; and he denieth none that come unto him, black and white, bond and free, male and female; and he remembereth the heathen; and all are alike unto God, both Jew and Gentile.

[_harmony]

The inability to parse humor is a significant problem in your life I see.

You still haven't explained how there is going to be a lot of Polygamy Practiced in the Celestial Kingdom, yet there will be no Polyandry Practiced in the Celestial Kingdom, when there are 105 boys born for every 100 girls.

Your error in correlation should be obvious even to you. Any consideration of birth ratio does not apply here. What does apply is the ratio of women to men in the highest degree of the CK (where marriage is practiced). If every man in that degree of the CK must be married to at least one woman, what do you think the ratio would look like?

Actually, the historical birthrate does apply, since all those children who died before age 8 are automatically in the CK. So it's entirely possible that there will be more males than females in the CK.

[_Brackite]

The inability to parse humor is a significant problem in your life I see.

You still haven't explained how there is going to be a lot of Polygamy Practiced in the Celestial Kingdom, yet there will be no Polyandry Practiced in the Celestial Kingdom, when there are 105 boys born for every 100 girls.

Your error in correlation should be obvious even to you. Any consideration of birth ratio does not apply here. What does apply is the ratio of women to men in the highest degree of the CK (where marriage is practiced). If every man in that degree of the CK must be married to at least one woman, what do you think the ratio would look like?

Actually, the historical birthrate does apply, since all those children who died before age 8 are automatically in the CK. So it's entirely possible that there will be more males than females in the CK.

Hi There Harmony,

There was a Discussion thread on the "FAIR"/MA&D Message Board, that was started By our Friend Beastie here, almost two years ago, where she Pointed out and documented that there are more males than females who die in their infancy. Here is Part of Beastie's Opening Post, from that Discussion thread there:

My earlier posts:

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The fact that the infant mortality rate has always been higher for male infants than female infants will result in millions more males in the CK than females.

Just look at the figures. The human population, added up from 1 AD (which, obviously, is an underestimation) is over 18.9 billion. (someone will probably need to check my horrible math)

http://desip.igc.org/populationmaps.html

I'm not sure what the overall comparison of male infant mortality to female infant mortality, but in well fed Canada it is a constant 1.3

http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/rhs-ssg/factshts/mort_e.html

That seems like a conservative guess for the overal rate (I imagine it's probably higher overall).

Overall infant mortality rate varies quite a bit, but since the US is at 7.6 (per thousand) another conservative guess would be 8 per thousand. Unless my math is really messed up (always possible) that means there will be millions more males in the CK than females.

by the way, the actual figure of how many more infant males than infant females have died since 1 AD, based on the figures I used above, would be 35 million more males than females in the CK, based on infant deaths alone.

(according to my significant other, who is a heck of a lot better at math than I am... and even if the male infant mortality rate was the far more conservative 51 to 49 percent, that would still leave us with 6 million more males than females who went straight to the CK)

It seems to me that any argument that can be made to justify polygyny can also be made to justify polyandry.

I have been accused of engaging in "fallacious generalizations". I'm familiar with the fallacy of hasty generalizations, but that is based on a sample that is too small. I do not see how it applies here.

I have been told that the practices of China would more than compensate for this imbalance. My response is that I chose a very conservative estimate (the reality is that the infant mortality rate has been far higher than the 8 per thousand I chose. Obviously, the higher the base rate, the more the imbalance increases. Additionally, I was only counting from 1 AD, which should provide more than a comfortable cushion for anomalies like China.

I have been told that just because LDS believe infants are automatically guaranteed entrance to the CK, that doesn't mean they are guaranteed entrance into the highest degree of glory. What support is there for that assumption? I've never heard of such an idea before.


( http://www.mormonapologetics.org/lofive ... 15423.html )

[_beastie]

Thanks for the trip down memory lane, brackite. If I recall correctly, on that same thread, Juliann accused me of stealing "her" idea. While I do not recall Juliann making this point prior to my post, it is interesting that apparently she does believe there will be more males than females in the CK.