Father jailed for calling daughter "she"

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Father jailed for calling daughter "she"

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Most of us are old enough to remember when the argument for homosexuality started out as not interfering with what two consenting adults did behind closed doors. Well we've slid down the slippery slope and here we are. It's not about consenting adults anymore. These kids aren't even old enough to legally get married. Yet the harm these gender reassignment drugs will do is far worse than any divorce.
There is a man in Canada who can only be alluded to as He Who Shall Not Be Named: Robert Hoogland. For the sake of natural justice, it is important to speak this man's name. He is now the Canadian state's prison of conscience.

The warrant was issued by a judge for the arrest of a father after calling his biological female child his "daughter," and referring to her with the pronouns "she" and "her." Hoogland was found to be in contempt of court.

Hoogland is a father to a gender non-conforming biological female 14-year-old who identifies as transgender and prefers the use of male pronouns. Hoogland has repeatedly called this person his daughter, though the court has forbade it.
On Tuesday at 10 am Vancouver time, Hoogland surrendered himself to the court in response to the Attorney General of British Columbia's warrant

Hoogland opposes his child's undergoing "gender affirmative" medical procedures, and has stated this opposition again and again, in the hope of saving his child from irreversible harm. The Canadian medical system, the legal system, and the child's mother press ahead with social and medical transition of the child.

On December 14, 2020, Hoogland was compelled by Justice Mazari's court to collude in the gender "transitioning" of his fourteen year old daughter and told not to call his biological female child his daughter. In response, Hoogland made a Charter challenge engaging his right to freedom of speech.
When he appeared in family court, the judge forced him to sit in the prisoners' dock, said Hoogland's lawyer Carey Lind said, even though he was guilty of no crime. The judge referred to him as "the accused." Lind made an application for the judge to recuse himself on the basis that all of this was prejudicial.

Hoogland told his story. The child had complex problems, but the court blamed them all on gender dysphoria. His marriage to the child's mother had broken up. He said that, in grades 5 and 6, his daughter was "getting into trouble and hanging out with boys," so they arranged for her to see the school counsellor. In grade 7, he noticed she cut off her long hair and started wearing a toupé. He said that she developed intense crushes on two male teachers, and made a suicide attempt.

Hoogland discovered that the school had been showing his daughter SOGI 123, the going sexual and gender identity education materials in British Columbia which amounts to transgender ideology "propaganda videos." In the grade 7 yearbook, the child was referred to by a different name. The school counsellor changed the child's name without telling her parents. The school "socially transitioned" the biologically female child on its own initiative, with the input of a gender ideologue psychologist, Dr. Wallace Wong.
When Hoogland accompanied his child to a consultation with Wong, the psychologist advised the pubescent child to take testosterone. Wong referred the child to the endocrinology unit at the local hospital. Meanwhile, Hoogland was looking for mental health solutions to help the child without drugs.

On the child's first visits to the hospital, a treatment plan was put into action. Both the child, and her mother—Hoogland's ex-wife—signed a consent form which explicitly stated that the "treatment" was experimental, meaning that the endocrinologists recommending the treatment didn't know the long-term health impact.

A gender identity activist lawyer, Barbara Findley, represented the child in court. Justice Boden decided that the child's best interests lay in destroying her long-term health to make her body appear more like that of a male.
Hoogland, in contrast, thinks his daughter's best interests lie in preserving his child's health, in case his child ends up among the estimated 85 percent of children who desist in their belief that they are the opposite sex once puberty ends.

He said, "Here I am, sitting there as a parent, watching a perfectly healthy child be destroyed, and there's nothing I can do but sit on the sideline according to Justice Boden at the time. I can only affirm, or get thrown in jail."

Boden's court held that the father's consent was irrelevant. The judge went a step further, declaring that the girl's parents must affirm their child's "gender identity," and refer to the child as though the fact of her being a gender non-conforming biological female who identifies as transgender means that the child is a boy. If he did not, the parents would be implicated of the criminal offense of family violence.
After the hearing, Hoogland gave an interview to The Federalist saying that people cannot change sex, and that mega-doses of exogenous testosterone would damage his vulnerable, biological female child's health.

Justice Mazari then summarily convicted Hoogland of family violence on the basis that he had declined to use his child's preferred masculine pronouns. Mazari authorized a warrant for Hoogland's arrest in the event that he ever used the correct sex pronouns to refer to his daughter again.
"In the Mazari ruling, it said that I can only think thoughts which are contrary to the Boden ruling. The court was gracious enough that they did not police my thoughts, but everything else they could," he said.

In 2019, Hoogland abided by the court order, hoping to get his daughter off testosterone. However, in January 2020, the highest court in British Columbia declared that the child should continue to take testosterone. It also imposed a conduct order on Hoogland that he must continue to refer to his biological female child by male pronouns.
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Hoogland said that "They've created a delusion, and they're forcing parents to live in this delusion."
"What happens when the bubble explodes and the delusion ends… She can never go back to being a girl in the healthy body she should have had… These kids don't understand. What kind of 13 year old is thinking about having a family and kids?" He said, lamenting his child's stolen future.
Hoogland gave interviews to several Canadian commentators. The broadcasts were suppressed by digital platforms, and he was threatened with contempt of court proceedings.

"What kind of father would I be if, in ten years time she's detransitioning, and she asks me 'why didn't you do anything to stop this? None of your stuck your neck out for me back then.'" He said.
The case continues, as does his child's medical "transition."
Before surrendering to the court, Hoogland felt compelled to visit his childhood homes, and shared some of his thoughts with this writer.

"Perhaps saving children is a dream . . . but I don't think so! As I was driving I saw children walking their dogs, I saw children playing together, and I saw a generation that needs their parents more than ever! I visited all my family homes... places where I grew up as a child. I remembered how much I loved my own parents and how much I needed their protection."

I find it moving that he is willing to go to such lengths to protest what is being inflicted on his daughter in the name of gender identity ideology. His self-sacrifice will hopefully help many other children from being drawn into this terrible industry.
The Canadian state has taken a drastically wrong turning by institutionalizing transsexual medical procedures for children, then imposing draconian constraints on free expression to conceal the full horror of what it is doing to a generation of children. It seems unwilling to consider the implications of the decision in Keira Bell v Tavistock in the UK.

In December, the high court handed down the decision in Keira Bell's judicial review of the state's gender identity clinic, the Tavistock. It held that children of 16 and under were incapable of giving informed consent to puberty blockers.
In the judicial review hearing, the court asked the Tavistock why it had no long-term data on the outcomes for the children to whom they gave puberty blockers. It responded that that it had a 2011 study, but it was unpublished pending peer review.
The Tavistock then published the data the day after the High Court handed down its judgement, and not in a peer-reviewed journal.

The data confirmed that, between 2011-2020, a rapidly increasing and disproportionate number of girls were referred to the gender clinic with a diagnosis of "gender dysphoria."

The clinic had known for nine years that puberty blockers were both ineffective for psychological distress, and harmful to physical health. It chose to keep that information from patients, public, and apparently from the court itself.


The court heard evidence that the Tavistock clinic gave children materials which said "as far as we are aware the blockers will not harm your physical or mental development."
The Tavistock's study into puberty blockers confirmed that the allegations of Keira Bell and Mrs. A were well-founded.


The study showed that of the 44 children given puberty blockers, only one did not progress to wrong-sex hormones. The Tavistock has claimed that the two "treatments" are not linked, and that taking blockers does not inevitably place children on the medical pathway to wrong-sex hormones and surgery. That claim has been disproven. Blockers are primers for surgery, with lifelong health impacts, not simply a benign "pause button." They cause long-term damage.
The study also found that medical experiments with puberty blockers did not improve the children's mental health. In fact, the children on puberty blockers felt worse on taking them.

Preliminary findings which showed that after a year on blockers, there was a significant increase in those answering the statement: "I deliberately try to hurt or kill myself," were not replicated across the duration of the study.
The children given blockers also lost critical bone density and height which they can never recover, leaving them vulnerable to osteoporosis and broken bones.

The study was nine years late, in which time thousands of children were primed for "gender affirmation" surgeries, and lumbered with iatrogenic osteoporosis and stunted growth.
It remains to be seen whether the court pursues the matter of the Tavistock's suppression of vital data which could have spared all of those vulnerable children the lifelong effects of puberty blockers.
All of this begs the question of why Justin Trudeau and Minster David Lametti continue to push Bill C16, knowing full well where it leads: destroying the health of vulnerable children for the sake of a delusion.

Keira Bell's case is international news, and shows anyone who cares to listen what awaits the victims of the trans "healthcare" industry. Bell described the Tavistock as having "a complacent and dangerous culture" which caused her irreversible harm. Its activities have effectively been shut down by the court ruling.

Rob Hoogland's child may not have the same experience as Keira Bell, who, now in her early twenties, regrets that she may be unable to become a mother. She hopes that it will no longer be standard practice for gender clinics to withhold from girls that "treatment" means they may never be mothers.

However, with a four-in-five chance of desisting, and incontrovertible evidence that "gender-affirming" medical experiments harm the body and fail to help mental wellbeing, what reasonable adult could now argue that she should stay on that path?
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One does not have to have any particular political orientation to be disturbed by the the idea of people in their early teens being given large quantities of powerful hormones to block their puberty from proceeding in accordance with the normal processes of their birth body.

I knew about the Tavistock judgement, and despite being a ''woke liberal socialist'' in US terms, I thought it was entirely appropriate.

Having said that, I am always willing to use anybody else's preference among normal pronouns for how they wish to be addressed. [Note how the English 'they' does the job very well there - although people who think English is Latin sometimes object to this usage in preference to 'he or she']. That's just a matter of kindness and courtesy. And, of course, it is wholly reversible!

The above post is made on the basis of taking ajax's quote at face value - as we know, different reporters might have described things differently.
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Here is the real issue. Robert Hoogland made some terrible decisions in his life, married the wrong person, probably cheated on her, stupidly had a child with her, didn't make the marriage work, got divorced, and lost custody of their child. The custodial parent and the child's doctors are doing what they think is best for the child, and the courts are supporting them in that decision.

Yes, it is tragic when two divorced parents disagree about how a child should be raised, especially when the parent who ends up winning that argument really isn't doing what's best for the child. But in this case, we don't know the specific details of the situation. The only side of the story we hear is that of the bitter ex-husband.
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As usual, there is a little more to the story than Ajax posts. https://globalnews.ca/news/6399468/bc-g ... nge-court/ The father was ordered to stop his media crusade, which was having damaging emotional effects on his son. I agree with Analytics – this sounds like a divorced man taking out lots of issues on his child.
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Res Ipsa wrote:
Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:51 pm
As usual, there is a little more to the story than Ajax posts. https://globalnews.ca/news/6399468/bc-g ... nge-court/ The father was ordered to stop his media crusade, which was having damaging emotional effects on his son. I agree with Analytics – this sounds like a divorced man taking out lots of issues on his child.
Does it strike you as a bit odd that infants aren't considered mature enough to marry but are mature enough to decide to change their gender?
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ajax18 wrote:
Fri Mar 19, 2021 4:28 pm
Res Ipsa wrote:
Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:51 pm
As usual, there is a little more to the story than Ajax posts. https://globalnews.ca/news/6399468/bc-g ... nge-court/ The father was ordered to stop his media crusade, which was having damaging emotional effects on his son. I agree with Analytics – this sounds like a divorced man taking out lots of issues on his child.
Does it strike you as a bit odd that infants aren't considered mature enough to marry but are mature enough to decide to change their gender?
Like I said:
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Fri Mar 19, 2021 12:26 pm
One does not have to have any particular political orientation to be disturbed by the the idea of people in their early teens being given large quantities of powerful hormones to block their puberty from proceeding in accordance with the normal processes of their birth body.

I knew about the Tavistock judgement, and despite being a ''woke liberal socialist'' in US terms, I thought it was entirely appropriate.
But all the same, the father really needs to stop his highly personal media campaign. It will not stop what is under way here, and all it is doing is making his child utterly miserable. I suspect he is none too bothered about that, though.
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ajax18 wrote:
Fri Mar 19, 2021 4:28 pm
Does it strike you as a bit odd that infants aren't considered mature enough to marry but are mature enough to decide to change their gender?
Actually, with parental consent (and typically a court order), you can still marry as young as 14 years of age in several US states.
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ajax18 wrote:
Fri Mar 19, 2021 4:28 pm
Res Ipsa wrote:
Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:51 pm
As usual, there is a little more to the story than Ajax posts. https://globalnews.ca/news/6399468/bc-g ... nge-court/ The father was ordered to stop his media crusade, which was having damaging emotional effects on his son. I agree with Analytics – this sounds like a divorced man taking out lots of issues on his child.
Does it strike you as a bit odd that infants aren't considered mature enough to marry but are mature enough to decide to change their gender?
There’s so much wrong with that question that it’s hard to know where to start. First off, infants are babies. Nobody is talking about puberty blockers, hormone therapy, or surgery for babies.

Second, the kid isn’t “deciding” to change their gender. The kid’s gender doesn’t match their biological sex and is choosing to make changes in their body to align it with their gender.

Third, the two things have nothing to do with each other. One has to do with a legal/social relationship between two people. The other is a health issue. If you had a thirteen year old who came to you and talked about billing herself, would you tell her she’s not mature enough to know if she really wants to kill herself and to come back when she’s 18? Or would you believe her and try to get her some treatment?
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Res Ipsa wrote:
Fri Mar 19, 2021 7:34 pm
ajax18 wrote:
Fri Mar 19, 2021 4:28 pm


Does it strike you as a bit odd that infants aren't considered mature enough to marry but are mature enough to decide to change their gender?
There’s so much wrong with that question that it’s hard to know where to start. First off, infants are babies. Nobody is talking about puberty blockers, hormone therapy, or surgery for babies.

Second, the kid isn’t “deciding” to change their gender. The kid’s gender doesn’t match their biological sex and is choosing to make changes in their body to align it with their gender.

Third, the two things have nothing to do with each other. One has to do with a legal/social relationship between two people. The other is a health issue. If you had a thirteen year old who came to you and talked about billing herself, would you tell her she’s not mature enough to know if she really wants to kill herself and to come back when she’s 18? Or would you believe her and try to get her some treatment?
I figured you of all people Res Ipsa would know I meant the legal definition of infant, <18 yoa
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Res Ipsa wrote:
Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:51 pm
As usual, there is a little more to the story than Ajax posts. https://globalnews.ca/news/6399468/bc-g ... nge-court/ The father was ordered to stop his media crusade, which was having damaging emotional effects on his son. I agree with Analytics – this sounds like a divorced man taking out lots of issues on his child.
When one consistently disobeys court orders in the US or Canada they will eventually find themselves in Jail.

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