Another FLDS thread by never-Mo onlooker, another way?

[_Dr. Shades]

Pull the adult males out and place them in some holding area (instead of shipping the boys 400 miles away) . . .

Is that what the DCFS does now? Puts the adult males in some holding area? Or does it remove the children from the harmful environment altogether?

. . . and put the females and underage boys under protective custody until it's sorted out.

The females and underage boys are under protective custody until it's sorted out.

[_Jersey Girl]

Pull the adult males out and place them in some holding area (instead of shipping the boys 400 miles away) . . .

Is that what the DCFS does now? Puts the adult males in some holding area? Or does it remove the children from the harmful environment altogether?

I have no idea what DCFS is. What would be wrong with putting the adult males in a holding area? Where the hell are the adult males? After Katrina, a zillion families were housed in a dome in Houston. I see nothing wrong with it. Children are typically removed from a harmful environment however, we're talking about 400+ children who have never been outside the ranch to begin with. Not only are the separated from parents and siblings, they've been thrust into a world they didn't know existed.

. . . and put the females and underage boys under protective custody until it's sorted out.

The females and underage boys are under protective custody until it's sorted out.[/quote]

They're scattered all over hell's half acre, Shades. I see nothing wrong with housing them on the ranch while sorting it out.

If the males were removed, what on earth would be wrong with that? The ranch is large enough to divide everyone up into groups and keep them on their own land until it's sorted out.

They didn't need to haul them all out of there, transport them to and house them in various locations. They could have done it right there at the ranch.

[_msnobody]

I'm with Shades on this one. Besides, who knows what could have happened to the semi-anonymous phone caller? She could have been carted off to Canada or Mex., UT, or AZ or elsewhere. If there was a legitimate caller, I think I'd wait until close to time to convict or go to court before I come out and identified myself.

[_Nightingale]

Perhaps the way they went about things is something to do with laws/regs. If I understand it correctly, they didn't go in intending to round up hundreds of people but rather were looking for the complainant (person who made the call, ostensibly a teen who was calling for help). While they obviously saw things that led them to believe there was abuse occuring on a bigger level, they didn't have any evidence against specific males that they could arrest and remove from their own property right then. Perhaps it was a case of having the necessary authority to remove children from what looked like an abusive situation but not to order all the adult males to leave at that time. They may have only had two choices - take the kids out immediately or wait to gather evidence and bring charges - a very time-consuming process.

When there have been allegations of abuse at the sister colony up here in British Columbia (in Bountiful) the RCMP have investigated, a specific case at a time, in the agonizingly slow way of judicial proceedings, without resulting in much in the way of arrests or changes to the overall situation for the people there. In Texas, looks like there was more obvious "evidence" in the form of the underage pregnant teens and the Texas authorities decided to fast track things - removing the kids who were potential victims of abuse and maybe planning on going back after the men at a later date when they've sorted out things on a case by case basis.

In short, perhaps removing the kids was the expedient way to root out the offences occurring on the Jeffs' "ranch".

I think that if they had had more information going in or knew better what they were going to find they may have done it another way. However, if the therapists are considering that even the mothers are posing substantial risk to the kids (a new way of looking at things, as far as I know) maybe they would have removed all of the adults and left the kids in their "homes" with outsiders coming in to care for them. Either which way, a terrible jolt for the kids. Here's hoping they will be happy for it some day. I'm still having a problem with them separating the very young kids from their mothers. I ask again what kind of "brainwashing" could be occurring with a nursing infant? But then again, there is the alleged "waterboarding" so yeah, you'd have to protect the infants from that.

So much tragedy. So many questions. I hope it turns out that the authorities did what needed to be done and not that needless trauma was inflicted. Any way you look at it, all the FLDS people lost the lottery when it comes to what you get to be born into.