However, sometimes we confuse this term with simply being a "messenger" or "consumer advocate". I believe Mormonism is a fraud (it's not a full disclosure philosophy). It's best in my opinion to warn people not to invest there. Ultimately it brought me a negative return. I hate to see people suffer like myself (and my family) have these past few years.
And for those who suffer could we not find more likely ten or so who say they are fullfiled and quite happy?
KimberlyAnn wrote:Personally, I think not joining up with the Mormons is a positive! But, I don't really give a "message." I offer truthful information, and what folks do with it is their own business.
As for the Mormons who contact me: I answer their questions and don't really guide them one way or another. If they ask my personal opinion, I give it. But, I don't seek out questioning members, they seek me, so I let them guide the discussions, if that makes any sense. I believe answering their questions and being available if they need me is a positive.
KA
That seems to be a better representation of how I suspected you approach this. The use of "missionary work" as an example was what prompted the question. I was wondering if you were proselyting anything other than that you disagree with certain aspects of Mormonism. Apparently, as you say, you aren't necessarily even proselyting that fact; only discussing it when approached.
You're correct. But, when I notice missionaries visiting anyone in my neighborhood, I do leave information without it being requested. I don't think of that as proselyting, but I don't wait for non-members who are investigating Mormonism to approach me--they may not realize they're not getting the whole truth from the missionaries and might not know to do any real investigating at all. At least with the information I give them, they can make a well-informed decision.
KA
Out of curiosity, does your information say anything about making a prayerful decision?
I don't see why it should. People are already told to pray by the missionaries. At least if they have more relevant information, they'll probably be able to better interpret any reaction that they get to their prayer.
KimberlyAnn wrote:Personally, I think not joining up with the Mormons is a positive! But, I don't really give a "message." I offer truthful information, and what folks do with it is their own business.
As for the Mormons who contact me: I answer their questions and don't really guide them one way or another. If they ask my personal opinion, I give it. But, I don't seek out questioning members, they seek me, so I let them guide the discussions, if that makes any sense. I believe answering their questions and being available if they need me is a positive.
KA
That seems to be a better representation of how I suspected you approach this. The use of "missionary work" as an example was what prompted the question. I was wondering if you were proselyting anything other than that you disagree with certain aspects of Mormonism. Apparently, as you say, you aren't necessarily even proselyting that fact; only discussing it when approached.
You're correct. But, when I notice missionaries visiting anyone in my neighborhood, I do leave information without it being requested. I don't think of that as proselyting, but I don't wait for non-members who are investigating Mormonism to approach me--they may not realize they're not getting the whole truth from the missionaries and might not know to do any real investigating at all. At least with the information I give them, they can make a well-informed decision.
KA
Out of curiosity, does your information say anything about making a prayerful decision?
No.
KA
PS. I just caught what CH had to say. I agree with him.
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Yes. Nobody is totally objective. My guess is Kimberly's material all has a very negative spin. Why not give both side then let the person decide? I f you only put he negative spin on you are as guilty of not giving full discloser as the Church you complain about.
It seems to me that finding out that your religion is actually false is its own reward
Yes. Nobody is totally objective. My guess is Kimberly's material all has a very negative spin. Why not give both side then let the person decide? I f you only put he negative spin on you are as guilty of not giving full discloser as the Church you complain about.
It seems to me that finding out that your religion is actually false is its own reward
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Whoopee. That is your opinion.
Jason, they're already getting the "other side" from the missionaries or the church itself! What don't you understand about that?
Excuse me! I asked a question based on your OP. I did not know reading the entire thread was required before posting a post. But it is still not clear after reading through the thread. Well it is really. you give them negative information that is designed to discourage them from pursuing the LDS Church. you do not give fair and balanced information or anything that might respond Old Testament refute the information. In such a case you are as guilty as you think the LDS Church is in withholding information. You give them your version of the truth. Too bad.
How about giving them a book like Rough Stone Rolling then letting the chips fall where they may?
KimberlyAnn wrote:Personally, I think not joining up with the Mormons is a positive! But, I don't really give a "message." I offer truthful information, and what folks do with it is their own business.
As for the Mormons who contact me: I answer their questions and don't really guide them one way or another. If they ask my personal opinion, I give it. But, I don't seek out questioning members, they seek me, so I let them guide the discussions, if that makes any sense. I believe answering their questions and being available if they need me is a positive.
KA
That seems to be a better representation of how I suspected you approach this. The use of "missionary work" as an example was what prompted the question. I was wondering if you were proselyting anything other than that you disagree with certain aspects of Mormonism. Apparently, as you say, you aren't necessarily even proselyting that fact; only discussing it when approached.
You're correct. But, when I notice missionaries visiting anyone in my neighborhood, I do leave information without it being requested. I don't think of that as proselyting, but I don't wait for non-members who are investigating Mormonism to approach me--they may not realize they're not getting the whole truth from the missionaries and might not know to do any real investigating at all. At least with the information I give them, they can make a well-informed decision.
KA
Out of curiosity, does your information say anything about making a prayerful decision?
I don't see why it should. People are already told to pray by the missionaries. At least if they have more relevant information, they'll probably be able to better interpret any reaction that they get to their prayer.
The reason I ask KA is because she says she believes in God (if I understand her correctly. She may waver from time to time, but apparently she is somewhat satisfied with the Methodists).
One moment in annihilation's waste, one moment, of the well of life to taste- The stars are setting and the caravan starts for the dawn of nothing; Oh, make haste! -Omar Khayaam
Jason, they're already getting the "other side" from the missionaries or the church itself! What don't you understand about that?
KA
Are they? Will they give someone capable of responding to what you give them a chance to respond? Or will they read what you give them and cut it off? Are the missionaries able to gie well thought out and balanced responses?
Sorry but I think you have an agenda in what you are doing and don't really care to give a balanced view. Thus in this way you become like the organization you criticize. You don't give full disclosure.
KimberlyAnn wrote:Personally, I think not joining up with the Mormons is a positive! But, I don't really give a "message." I offer truthful information, and what folks do with it is their own business.
As for the Mormons who contact me: I answer their questions and don't really guide them one way or another. If they ask my personal opinion, I give it. But, I don't seek out questioning members, they seek me, so I let them guide the discussions, if that makes any sense. I believe answering their questions and being available if they need me is a positive.
KA
That seems to be a better representation of how I suspected you approach this. The use of "missionary work" as an example was what prompted the question. I was wondering if you were proselyting anything other than that you disagree with certain aspects of Mormonism. Apparently, as you say, you aren't necessarily even proselyting that fact; only discussing it when approached.
You're correct. But, when I notice missionaries visiting anyone in my neighborhood, I do leave information without it being requested. I don't think of that as proselyting, but I don't wait for non-members who are investigating Mormonism to approach me--they may not realize they're not getting the whole truth from the missionaries and might not know to do any real investigating at all. At least with the information I give them, they can make a well-informed decision.
KA
Out of curiosity, does your information say anything about making a prayerful decision?
No.
KA
PS. I just caught what CH had to say. I agree with him.
Just so that we are clear, you do not believe it is neccessary for a person to consider your evidence prayerfully.
How about prayerfully searching for God and religion in general? If you believe that is important, why not in regards to Mormonism?
One moment in annihilation's waste, one moment, of the well of life to taste- The stars are setting and the caravan starts for the dawn of nothing; Oh, make haste! -Omar Khayaam
Jason Bourne wrote:Sorry but I think you have an agenda in what you are doing and don't really care to give a balanced view. Thus in this way you become like the organization you criticize. You don't give full disclosure.
I am trying to understand what you are saying. Do the LDS Missionaries give an unbalanced view of Mormonism? Is it wrong for them to not give "full disclosure"? Should they be leaving everybody with a copy of Rough Stone Rolling along with the Book of Mormon that they usually leave behind?