Ex-Mormon Missionaries

Post by **_LifeOnaPlate** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 3:21 pm

KimberlyAnn wrote:Yes. It's very similar, only much less information, really, and minus the commentary. Seriously, it's only a few pages of basic information with a list of books to read and websites to visit, one website being LDS.org. There's nothing in the papers I typed myself that isn't included in Packham's materials.

KA

I wonder if your passive-aggressive power trip of withholding your super top secret materials is related to your Mormon upbringing.

Post by **_Dr. Shades** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 3:24 pm

Thanks for your rapid response, KA. I appreciate it.

KimberlyAnn wrote:Yes. It's very similar, only much less information, really, and minus the commentary.

Well, in that case, if there's no commentary (and apparently just left the facts), then Jason Bourne and LifeOnaPlate have absolutely nothing to complain about, methinks.

LifeOnaPlate wrote:Just sent him some additional articles which I believe would flesh out the site much more.

That doesn't address my question, LOAP. Let's review another of KA's comments, then I'll re-ask:

There's nothing in the papers I typed myself that isn't included in Packham's materials.

Great! Then that makes things that much easier to get a grip on. So, LOAP, regardless of the "fleshing out" issue, is there anything factually incorrect anywhere in the above-linked website?

LifeOnaPlate wrote:I wonder if your passive-aggressive power trip of withholding your super top secret materials is related to your Mormon upbringing.

You realize, do you not, that you just gave a scathing critique of the example that Mormonism set? In other words, that you essentially confirmed that the Mormon church is guilty of precisely what the critics accuse it of?

Post by **_skippy the dead** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 3:27 pm

LifeOnaPlate wrote:I wonder if your passive-aggressive power trip of withholding your super top secret materials is related to your Mormon upbringing.

Do you really think that this kind of badgering will work? You need to work on your people skills, guy.

And unless you plan to follow KA around with counter-counter materials, it really doesn't matter what they are. It's not like she's gonna give you editorial power over her stuff.

Post by **_LifeOnaPlate** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 3:35 pm

Dr. Shades wrote:Well, in that case, if there's no commentary (and apparently just left the facts), then Jason Bourne and LifeOnaPlate have absolutely nothing to complain about, methinks.

The point is my interest in KA's selection. I never at any point suspected KA of digging through library archives and presenting her findings.

Great! Then that makes things that much easier to get a grip on. So, LOAP, regardless of the "fleshing out" issue, is there anything factually incorrect anywhere in the above-linked website?

I realize this keeps getting past you, Shades, but my interest, once again, is in KA's selection of sources. (Emphasis mine, to help out Shades.) Keep playing your role of villainizing me, though, because after all, I am a Mormon. My intentions must be utterly devious.

You realize, do you not, that you just gave a scathing critique of the example that Mormonism set? In other words, that you essentially confirmed that the Mormon church is guilty of precisely what the critics accuse it of?

In all cases generally and all around? Hardly.

Post by **_LifeOnaPlate** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 3:38 pm

skippy the dead wrote:Do you really think that this kind of badgering will work? You need to work on your people skills, guy.

It is very interesting. Heck, it ought to interest you critics, too. Look how messed up the power trip is. This is good evidence that Mormonism really went awry in this instance. ;)

And unless you plan to follow KA around with counter-counter materials, it really doesn't matter what they are. It's not like she's gonna give you editorial power over her stuff.

Who asked for editorial powers? Certainly not I.

Post by **_Jason Bourne** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 3:42 pm

Dr. Shades wrote:All right, let's get to the bottom of this.

KimberlyAnn, although I think you alluded to this before, I must ask you a question. Is the material you give to investigators and missionary contact-ees in any way similar to the tract at the following website?

http://home.teleport.com/~packham/tract.htm

Jason Bourne and LifeOnaPlate: If KimberlyAnn answers in the affirmative, is there anything at all in the above-linked website which you consider to be inaccurate or untrue?

I will have to try to look at it later and then opine. I will try to later to today but I am getting ready to go out of town to greet my son who is returning from his second tour in Iraq this Sunday. So I am not sure how much time I will have to look at it. If not I promise I wil get back to it when I return home mid week next week.

But I have no problems with the Wives of Joseph Smith site she suggests to people to review.

You should understand I am not picking on Kim per say. I have beefs about how LDS issues are presented on both sides of the fence-by the Church and by most critics. It is an area I have a high interest in.

Post by **_skippy the dead** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 3:44 pm

LifeOnaPlate wrote:It is very interesting. Heck, it ought to interest you critics, too. Look how messed up the power trip is. This is good evidence that Mormonism really went awry in this instance. ;)

I see no power trip. Is that what you see? No wonder you're in such a defensive posture. Let it go.

LifeOnaPlate wrote:Who asked for editorial powers? Certainly not I.

"Editorial power" was really intended to mean that I doubt that anything you would have to say on the materials would make a difference on what she would use. She's described the content and indicated that they are similar to the previously referenced website. If sounds like you've given that site owner feedback already, so your job is done.

Now go turn on some cartoons or something, little fella.

Post by **_skippy the dead** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 3:47 pm

Jason Bourne wrote:. . . but I am getting ready to go out of town to greet my son who is returning from his second tour in Iraq this Sunday . . .

I'm glad your son is coming home safely, Bourne. You must be so proud of your boy. Enjoy your visit!

Post by **_LifeOnaPlate** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 3:50 pm

skippy the dead wrote:I see no power trip. Is that what you see? No wonder you're in such a defensive posture. Let it go.

It's a total power trip.

skippy the dead wrote:"Editorial power" was really intended to mean that I doubt that anything you would have to say on the materials would make a difference on what she would use. She's described the content and indicated that they are similar to the previously referenced website. If sounds like you've given that site owner feedback already, so your job is done.

This is quite interesting, in that I have only been asking to look over KA's materials and said nothing about editing or critiquing them for anyone. But of course, being Mormon, you all know my intents and purposes.

Now go turn on some cartoons or something, little fella.

No time for cartoons. Busy interneting.

Post by **_KimberlyAnn** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 3:53 pm

Jason Bourne wrote:I will have to try to look at it later and then opine. I will try to later to today but I am getting ready to go out of town to greet my son who is returning from his second tour in Iraq this Sunday.

My husband was a Marine, my father was a Marine and my grandfather was a Marine. I have great respect for what they do. I'm thrilled that your son is returning safely home to his loved ones!

It's evident from prior posts that you are proud of him, as well you should be. Tell him "Thank You" from me. And enjoy your visit.

KA