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_cinepro
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Coggins7 wrote:It's so interesting watching how the left wingers here jump, jive, and wail as Ben Stein implies that human beings are something more than animals.

Or are left wingers really more...?

Why did I ask this question?

I don't know, it just seemed like the obvious question to ask...

At least, a question to ask real human beings....


Your post demonstrates why Intelligent Design is doomed from acceptance as a scientific anything.

Because it's not "the left".

I'm conservative, and I think Intelligent Design is a crock. Judge Jones in the Dover case is a die-hard conservative and a strict constructionist, and even he was able to see through the BS to the heart of the matter. Others in this thread have clarified that they aren't "left", but are also against the teaching of ID in science classes.

I wish I had better news for you, but that's about it. :( If I were a supporter, I would be thinking about what I was going to call Intelligent Design after the phrase "Intelligent Design" becomes as toxic as its previous moniker "Creationism". Maybe "Scientific Theory of Evolutionary Design" or "Scientific Theory of Spackle To Fill Holes in the Real Theory of Evolution Using Anything We Can Make Up"
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Post by _Some Schmo »

cinepro wrote:
Coggins7 wrote:It's so interesting watching how the left wingers here jump, jive, and wail as Ben Stein implies that human beings are something more than animals.

Or are left wingers really more...?

Why did I ask this question?

I don't know, it just seemed like the obvious question to ask...

At least, a question to ask real human beings....


Your post demonstrates why Intelligent Design is doomed from acceptance as a scientific anything.

Because it's not "the left".

I'm conservative, and I think Intelligent Design is a crock. Judge Jones in the Dover case is a die-hard conservative and a strict constructionist, and even he was able to see through the BS to the heart of the matter. Others in this thread have clarified that they aren't "left", but are also against the teaching of ID in science classes.

I wish I had better news for you, but that's about it. :( If I were a supporter, I would be thinking about what I was going to call Intelligent Design after the phrase "Intelligent Design" becomes as toxic as its previous moniker "Creationism". Maybe "Scientific Theory of Evolutionary Design" or "Scientific Theory of Spackle To Fill Holes in the Real Theory of Evolution Using Anything We Can Make Up"


How much more proof of evolution does one need than Coggins himself? He's essentially a monkey typing random crap on a keyboard.

I probably shouldn't be so insulting to the intelligence of monkeys though. Shame on me.
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Post by _ludwigm »

If Coggins writes the word "left" I don't read his remaining text.

"Discussions, threads, opinions, comments" <===> "paranoia".
Different, uncomparable categories.
- Whenever a poet or preacher, chief or wizard spouts gibberish, the human race spends centuries deciphering the message. - Umberto Eco
- To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin. - Cardinal Bellarmine at the trial of Galilei
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Post by _solomarineris »

Moniker wrote:
Coggins7 wrote:
My favorite line is, "Everything that exists is created by a loving God. That includes rooocks, trees, animals, people, really everything."

PROFOUND!



And obviously way, way, way over your head.


*blink*


Yea, obviously you were held back in pre-existence.
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Post by _solomarineris »

Moniker wrote:
Coggins7 wrote:
My favorite line is, "Everything that exists is created by a loving God. That includes rooocks, trees, animals, people, really everything."

PROFOUND!



And obviously way, way, way over your head.


*blink*


Yea, obviously you were held back in pre-existence.
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Post by _Moniker »

solomarineris wrote:
Moniker wrote:
Coggins7 wrote:
My favorite line is, "Everything that exists is created by a loving God. That includes rooocks, trees, animals, people, really everything."

PROFOUND!



And obviously way, way, way over your head.


*blink*


Yea, obviously you were held back in pre-existence.


Umhum.

My not fully understanding that insult = not being indoctrinated with the LDS theological mind screw = not a negative

Are you and Coggies just going to tag team me now? Tug on my hair every so often? You got my attention. Aren't you special? :)

by the way, solo -- still betting my house you're about on par with DCP in the looks department.
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If Coggins writes the word "left" I don't read his remaining text.



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Post by _Coggins7 »

Snip introductory gibberish...

I'm conservative, and I think Intelligent Design is a crock.



I highly doubt, if you are like most who would make that kind of statement, that you would know serious ID if it reared up and consumed both cheeks without chewing.

ID is a serious scientific and philosophical critique of Darwinism, and can be taught in that light, less taking up time in science classes. Darwinism, beyond evolutionary biology per se, functions as an ideology among many scientists and sits at the base of a world view that does get taught in science classes but has no more business being there then does fundamentalist creationism.

I wish I had better news for you, but that's about it. :( If I were a supporter, I would be thinking about what I was going to call Intelligent Design after the phrase "Intelligent Design" becomes as toxic as its previous moniker "Creationism". Maybe "Scientific Theory of Evolutionary Design" or "Scientific Theory of Spackle To Fill Holes in the Real Theory of Evolution Using Anything We Can Make Up"


Rama lama ding dong. Some aspects of Darwinism are certainly in for a dust up eventually as new knowledge is acquired. There is no conceivable mathematical or probabilistic possibility of either the universe, the earth, or the biosphere upon it having come about through purely random chance evolutionary events. This is no longer arguable to those who have seriously studied the matter with an open mind (and are familiar with the work of Jeans, Whitehead, Eddington, Hoyle, and many other essentially secular critics who accept evolution but not Darwinian fundamentalism).

But such claims regarding ultimate origins or causes is not an essential or necessary extrapolation from evolutionary biology's core assertions about the development of biological life. It is, indeed, a scientistic leap into philosophical territory (origins and meaning) that evolution cannot make but Darwinism shys not away from making. People like Sagan, Dawkins, Hawking, Dennet, and many others have built careers dressing up science as philosophy and metaphysics in this manner, yet they don't want anyone else outside the gnosis doing the same.

Darwinism is essential to the secularist/leftist/materialist world view, as much as to the philosophy and politics that flow from that world view, and this is why it is defended with such venom and ferocity; not because it matters in any underlying sense (as, if Darwinism is ultimately true, nothing actually does), but because entire egos and ideological structures are dependent upon it. Whatever its scientific status, Darwinism is the hot button it is for its true believers precisely because of its philosophical, psychological, ideological, and sociological value, not the pros and cons of its central empirical claims (which may be something very close to the truth, for all I care).
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Post by _Coggins7 »

How much more proof of evolution does one need than Coggins himself? He's essentially a monkey typing random crap on a keyboard.

I probably shouldn't be so insulting to the intelligence of monkeys though. Shame on me.



Someone, Schmo, who, based upon his presenting of himself in this forum, lies, on an intellectual plane, somewhere between Pee Wee Hermon and Howard Stern, should not be throwing stones in glass houses.

Frankly, I've never seen you make or adduce a single civil, substantive, mature, critical argument the entire time you've been here. Of course, that only means your quite at home here with the other zoological specimens on display.

Move on, nothing to see here...
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