Serious question: How to prevent temple ordinances on dead?

[_Gazelam]

The Mormon church allowed her to be abused by our father ............

If its not to personal or painful to ask, could you expound on this?

[_Boaz & Lidia]

The Mormon church allowed her to be abused by our father ............

If its not to personal or painful to ask, could you expound on this?

She reported it to our mother and our bishop and nothing happened. She was asked if there were things she did to provoke such actions..

Additionally they knew our father was an abusive son-of-a-b**ch. Many ward member witnessed physical abuse from him on us.

I guess it was part of that dont-butt-into-others-business era in Utah...

[_Gazelam]

She reported it to our mother and our bishop and nothing happened. She was asked if there were things she did to provoke such actions...

Pretty sick and sad. Sorry to hear it.

Please don't associate what these three did with the church as a whole. Her temple work needs Old Testament be done. These three will be appropriately dealt with.

Im actually kind of suprised you didn't deal with the dad yourself.

[_Boaz & Lidia]

She reported it to our mother and our bishop and nothing happened. She was asked if there were things she did to provoke such actions...

Pretty sick and sad. Sorry to hear it.

Please don't associate what these three did with the church as a whole. Her temple work needs Old Testament be done. These three will be appropriately dealt with.

I'm actually kind of suprised you didn't deal with the dad yourself.

Oh he got his justice, at least some...

Sudden heart attack shortly after retirement at age 65.

He knew we hated him. He took that to the grave, and I can only hope it was his last thoughts...

[_antishock8]

I would guess that barring baptisms for the dead would have to be part of a broader strategy that would forbid masses for the dead, prayers for the dead, invoking the memory of the dead, and, perhaps, thinking of the dead altogether.

Ew. You're back. Now that the Catholics don't want Mormons to do vicarious work on behalf of the dead, are you going to call them extremists, too? Are you worried Catholics might lose Mormon goodwill? What are Mormons going to do when the inevitable fatwa comes barring Mormons from performing vicarous work on behalf of dead Muslims? Quite a pickle...

Wait. Wait. Please don't bother to answer any of the questions. I'd rather not have to wade through a grievance theater to find the two sentence that actually address the questions.

[_antishock8]

I'm sorry I show no sympathy for a hateful zealot's crusade to keep someone's name from being mentioned in what he perceives as a mindless sham ceremony. Think of it this way PP. As long as people are doing pointless ordinances in the Temple they're not out converting the world. Should be a win for you.

Listen, the only people being hateful and zealot-y are the Mormons. They're not respecting the wishes of other religions. The Catholics, as directed by the Vatican have asked their people to keep their records from the Mormons so they don't perform vicarious work. This is a directive for a billion plus people. Quite a change now that it ain't some "extremist" Jews asking for similiar respect. Can't you see it's highly offensive to other people at the thought the "crazy Mormons have baptized tio Carlos"?

Shame on you, and shame on the Mormon church for being so insensitive, brutish, and... Zealot-y.

[_the road to hana]

What are Mormons going to do when the inevitable fatwa comes barring Mormons from performing vicarous work on behalf of dead Muslims?

Such an incredibly good question.

[_the road to hana]

I would guess that barring baptisms for the dead would have to be part of a broader strategy that would forbid masses for the dead, prayers for the dead, invoking the memory of the dead, and, perhaps, thinking of the dead altogether.

Sure, this would follow logically, if one also said that barring infant baptism would have to be part of a broader strategy that would forbid blessings on infants, prayers for infants, invoking the memory of infants, and perhaps, thinking of infants altogether.

Unfortunately, however, it's not that simple.

Some things are considered by one religion or another to be an abomination, and even giving the appearance of supporting it can be problematic. As a Latter-day Saint, you should understand that as well as anyone.

[_Mercury]

Call a lawyer for an injunction. All we can do is formally ask them not to. Look at the Holocaust names used over and over again after repeated battles over this.

[_neworder]

Why do they even use names?

Instead of a name they should just say "For a person who is dead"

This would be much more efficient. You would get a 1 to 1 Ratio of every temple session to person that is allowed to spirit paradise. Right now many of the same people get their work done for over and over and over again. People get the names messed up, dates wrong, etc and the work does not help anybody else out on the other side. Also think of the many people that have to hang out in spirit prison because nobody knows their name.

I would hate to be the records clerk on the other side. "Sorry Alphonse Diedrick, they didn't get your name quite right so you have to hang out here in spirit prison until they do".

Sorry to hear of your loss Boaz.