Mormon forum lights up over California gay change

[_Some Schmo]

It isn't just sex beastie. Heterosexuals are naturally turned off by homosexual activity in general. It makes me squirm when I see too bearded guys french kissing. This is natural because I am not attracted to men.

Finally, we get to the heart and truth of the matter. There's nothing intellectual about his view (like there ever is). It simply makes him "squirm." Shocker!

Now the real question is, why does it make him squirm? Maybe it's because there's a part of him that likes it? It's becoming more and more clear all the time.

This stuff always cracks me up. It's not the first time I've seen it, and I'm sure it won't be the last.

I will never forget one extraordinary example of this on my old atheist board. Years ago, the topic came up and a believer (they often visited us, including LDS believers) ranted and raved about the evils of homosexuality. As he went on, it became clear he was talking about gay men only. When quizzed about this, he admitted that he didn't mind lesbians, since there wasn't a clear ban about it in the Bible, and actually found it an enjoyable fantasy. LOL!! (of course, he, like most men, was probably fantasizing about the minority lipstick lesbians... and the even smaller minority who would welcome a man in their playtime.)

LOL

Great story! It just goes to show that for men, it's never something they've really thought through (if they're uncomfortable with it). They'll make up or repeat all kinds of silly reasons they think are valid for it being somehow "wrong": it's not natural, it's against the Bible, sex is for having babies, etc etc... but in the end (no pun intended), it's simply about their own personal demons. It just makes them "squirm" for some reason. Hmmm... I wonder why...

[_Droopy]

Wow, you're off to a great start, aren't you? Already acting like a dumbass. Obviously, one doesn't need to be gay to understand their culture. However, what you said was pure BS, so I decided to ask about your sources.

The first sentence here is a rant, containing no rational refutation or rebuttal of anything in my initial post.

It seems to me that if we take you seriously, you are able to speak sweeping generalities about the entire gay subculture as though you're an authority on what their motives are, and I would think that if you're claiming to be that dialed in to what they're all about, you'd either have to be gay or have had extensive experience speaking with them about their personal ideologies and desires.

No, all I'd have to be is someone who's done extensive reading and study about that culture. I also lived in southern Californial for a substantial portion of my life, and I've seen that culture up close.

My own personal experience speaking with gay people and their relatives is entirely contradictory to what you seem to have gleaned reading a couple of books, so you'll have to forgive me when I can't help but LOL at your obvious ignorance and homophobia dressed up as informed political analysis.

In other words, the anecdotes from a couple of Gay (Schmo here means "homosexual") people who told Schmo precisely what they perceived he wanted and was willing to hear, Trump's decades of social science data, observation, content analysis of Gay media, and centuries of cultural experience with this tiny cohort of sexual deviants.

It seems acutely odd that from the inception of the Gay liberation movement in the late sixties forward, there was not a word ever spoken regarding homosexual "marriage" until the nineties. Before that time, Gay culture adopted an attitude, overwhelmingly, of opposition to heterosexual sexual norms and celebrated liberation and freedom from the sexually inhibiting and oppressive Judeo/Christian mores with whcih they were surrounded. If the sexual revolution among heterosexuals did anything, it brought the aggressive promiscuity and antinomian hedonism of the traditional homosexual subculture into the mainstream of the heterosexual world. Heterosexuals in the late sixties rediscovered the pansexual hedonism that has been a feature of homosexual culture for most of known history.

Then suddenly, homosexual marriage became the cause celeb of the nineties. The progression is clear: the Gay liberation movement began as a reasonable plea for tolerance. In the eighties the demand became that of the normalization of homosexuality relative to heterosexuality, and then the celebration of Gay culture and lifestyles.

A decade later, the cry went out for "marriage", an institution that only a couple of decades before, Gay activists and intellectuals were decrying as the most hideous bondage from which the Gay identity was the key to release.

Keep up the pose Schmo, and perhaps begin doing a little self education on the side between bouts of political correctness masquerading as intellect.

[_cksalmon]

Now the real question is, why does it make him squirm? Maybe it's because there's a part of him that likes it? It's becoming more and more clear all the time.

This stuff always cracks me up. It's not the first time I've seen it, and I'm sure it won't be the last.

This is just silly. Rhetorically effective? Perhaps, among certain of MDB's constituents. But, silly nonetheless.

If the thought of homosexual activity makes KG squirm, must one really punt to the pejorative, mind-reading response that he might just be homosexual himself?

That's not only a popular cliché, it's also just really simple-minded.

It's as if KG can't express a controversial opinion without being subjected to the bogus claim that he is merely expressing a facet of his own self-loathing.

Why is this your default?

Why can't it be that KG is simply expressing a deeply-held conviction? Why is it becoming "more and more clear all the time" that KG is a homosexual because he objects to homosexual behavior?

I see this as a blatant attempt to shame KG and, in the process, make his perspective conform to yours.

Does KG need to conform to your worldview in order to be considered by you worthy of holding and presenting views constitutive of his own worldview?

If so, why?

And blacks who oppose Affirmative Action legislation are really self-loathing Uncle Tom-ites?

Chris

[_Droopy]

With Schmo we are, however, very clearly dealing with a, to put it mildly, simple mind, at least when dealing with complex political or philosophcal subjects, so simplemindedness is only to be expected.

[_Brackite]

I hope Danny Peterson appears as Cardinal Richlieu.

Wouldn't Juliann be better suited to that role? Dr. Peterson can be the King.

Dr. Daniel C. Peterson is already the king at the MA&D Message Board.

[_Brackite]

It isn't just sex beastie. Heterosexuals are naturally turned off by homosexual activity in general. It makes me squirm when I see too bearded guys french kissing. This is natural because I am not attracted to men. So let us suppose the adopted kid is heterosexual (most likely). Can you imagine what is going through his head and what kind of feelings he is having during this crucial period of his psychological development, when he sees two men showing that kind of affection in the home on a regular basis?

Now see? There you go again, refusing to allow women into the picture. Most men, when confronted with the idea of two women kissing, don't see anything wrong with it, and actually fantasize about it regularly.

Homosexuality is not the province of men alone!

Nearly all heterosexual men squirm when they see two bearded guys french kissing. It does Not mean that they are homophobe. That is the way how nearly all of us heterosexual men are wired. It is natural of them to feel the way that they do. Most heterosexual men do Not squirm and don't have a problem with it, when they see two women french kissing. That is just the way it is with most heterosexual men.

[Alf'Omega]

Now the real question is, why does it make him squirm? Maybe it's because there's a part of him that likes it? It's becoming more and more clear all the time.

This stuff always cracks me up. It's not the first time I've seen it, and I'm sure it won't be the last.

This is just silly. Rhetorically effective? Perhaps, among certain of MDB's constituents. But, silly nonetheless.

If the thought of homosexual activity makes KG squirm, must one really punt to the pejorative, mind-reading response that he might just be homosexual himself?

I mentioned the first time I brought this up that it wasn't usually the case, but that it sometimes was. I'm just fishing for an actual reasonable explanation for darte's obvious homophobia, and I notice he hasn't actually responded to this one. I wonder if I struck a nerve.

I'm not claiming to read his mind (I have no interest in that jumbled mess, actually). I just keep thinking, "Methinks he doeth protest too much." Besides, darte has a long history of incredible hypocrisy on this board, regularly accusing others of the things he's the most guilty of, so his loud speaking out about it might explain some things. That's all I'm getting at. It sounds like the guy's having an aneurism over there.

Just calm down. Read the thread a bit more carefully and you might see where this is coming from.

[_Some Schmo]

With Schmo we are, however, very clearly dealing with a, to put it mildly, simple mind, at least when dealing with complex political or philosophcal subjects, so simplemindedness is only to be expected.

This coming from the guy who looks to explain the universe with his magical imaginary friend. LOL

I always appreciate it when the intellectually vacuous attack my intelligence. It's quite validating. Thanks guys.

[_Some Schmo]

Nearly all heterosexual men squirm when they see two bearded guys french kissing. It does Not mean that they are homophobe. That is the way how nearly all of us heterosexual men are wired. It is natural of them to feel the way that they do. Most heterosexual men do Not squirm and don't have a problem with it, when they see two women french kissing. That is just the way it is with most heterosexual men.

Do they? I guess that clean shaven men kissing is ok, but if they have a beard, well... that's just too much.

Naturally hard wired that way? Interesting. It couldn't possibly be a learned behavior, could it? Oh no... that would take some punch out of the homophobic rationale.

[_Droopy]

I'm just fishing for an actual reasonable explanation for darte's obvious homophobia,

Orwell had this kind of thing signed, sealed, and delivered over half a century ago. The more things change, the more they stay the same.