Already did in a thread I created months ago. I bumped it for Coggins a while ago.
Interesting, because the link I posted to a Hoover essay indicates that some eminent scholars of Fascism don't think the ideology has "any real coherent features at all" (unlike the programmatic nature of Marxism).
That end results are similar does not mean that the ideologies are similar.
How did concentration camps end up in both the Soviet Unioin and Nazi Germany, but not in, oh, Holland, Britain, the U.S, or Australia?
Simple refresher and copy and paste of earlier points:
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Let me just mention this as it relates to the left-right scale of political theory.
Left concern for redistribution of wealth vs. laissez-faire, social darwinism on the right
Left concern for workers rights vs. management and employers on the right
Left concern for class conflicts vs. class collaboration (which fascists fully embrace by the way) on the right
Left concern for internationalism vs. purely national interests on the right
Uh, I'd just like to mention that fascism is nationalistic in nature.
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Left concern for redistribution of wealth vs. laissez-faire, social darwinism on the right
Moniker, are you seriously saying that the corporate Syndicalism of Fascist Italy, or the utter domination and control of heavy industry by the Nazis is Laissez-faire?
In what way was Soviet Russia not social Darwinist? What was the "new Soviet man" the socialist "man of the future"? Both ideologies had their superman of the future who would overturn all opposing systems and crush all resistance.
Trotski wrote:
The human species, the sluggish Homo sapiens, will once again enter the stage of radical reconstruction and become in his own hands the object of the most complex methods of artificial selection and psychophysical training... Man will make it his goal...to create a higher sociobiological type, a superman, if you will"
Would you tell me how, in any substantive way, this is different from the fantasies of the Nazi racial theorists, except for the emphasis on race in Nazi ideology (but remembering the Soviet Union's, and Marx's, Antisemitism)?
Left concern for workers rights vs. management and employers on the right
Marxists were ever concerned about "workers rights"? In what planetary system? Not in the legitimate history I read. The entire communist system is constructed by and for the Party, its members and elites, and its hangers on. The workers wait in day long lines for a few basic necessities, for which they have to fork over almost an entire month's pay, sometimes starve, have no political or social freedoms, and wake up to midnight knocks at the door. Let's continue...
Left concern for class conflicts vs. class collaboration (which fascists fully embrace by the way) on the right
The class collaboration myth, a construction of the Popular Front program of the WWII era, is a pure fabrication of Soviet propaganda, and has long been exploded by competent conservative and libertarian scholarship. This is the old Soviet party line, post Stalin/Hitler pact, that Fascism was the last gasp of Capitalism. Capitalism involves free, competitive, uncoerced markets, which did not exist, at least in major industries, in either Fascist Italy or Nazi Germany.
Left concern for internationalism vs. purely national interests on the right[
However, Nazi "nationalism' involved the conquest and subjugation of much of the world, as did internationalist Socialism. What about Project Orient, the scheme between Imperial Japan and Nazi Germany to, in point of fact, conquer the planet?
Fascist states heavily subscribe to the ethnicity of it's populace as superior, the cult of personality, or national supremacy. Social upward mobility in the fascist state is also embraced. Superior individuals were rewarded and there was no to little concern for class inequality.
1 You mean to say that there were not, and have not been, cults of personality revolving around
a Joseph Stalin
b. Ho Chi Minh
c. Fidel Castro
d. Che Guevara (especially Comrade Che)?
No ethnic chauvinism in socialism? What then was Russification and the Chinafication of Tibet? What about traditional Soviet antisemitism?
Social upward mobility was very much embraced in Marxian dictatorships--for the Nomeklatura and its lap dogs.
It's actually difficult to even make broad generalized statements about economics when it deals with fascist states. Most often the economics was secondary or not seen as important to those that rose to power. The driving force behind the fascists ideology was supremacy in class, ethnicity, as well as nation. Social darwinism is perfectly acceptable and encouraged in the fascist state.
This is surface froth, in my view. See the 25 point plan of the Nazi Party platform. The Ludwig Von Mises Institute has an extensive video library, one excellent series of which
The Economics of Fascism, will serve to dispel a great deal of the traditional public school and mainstream media fluff we've all been taught concerning this issue.