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Should Jersey be reinstituted as a Mod?

 
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Post by _Dr. Shades »

Jersey Girl wrote:and instead of telling whomever complained (did you bother to compare your list to the positive comments of people on these threads? Of course not.) "She's doing the job I gave her".


It wasn't a case of "instead of telling [people] 'she's doing the job I gave her.'" It was a case of "telling [people] over and over and over and over and over and over 'she's doing the job I gave her.'"

You think it's "easier" to tell Jersey Girl to take a hike.


I'm an inch away from revising that opinion.

Your moderators (and certainly myself), don't deal in what's "easy". They do the job that you gave them and conscientiously so. Isn't that what you expect your mods to do? So what have mods got to look forward to in the future? They implement your stated policies and you do what's "easy"?


No, I do what's "best" after a careful cost/benefit analysis.

You're right when you said this was a "tempest in a tea pot", Shades. Seriously.


If you truly feel that way, than why are you continuing this inane crusade?

The truth is that you never once initiated a discussion with me regarding errors/failures. Why? Because as you stated, there weren't any. You simply got tired of people complaining about a moderator doing the job you gave her.


No, I simply got tired of people complaining about you.

How many people on these threads do you see as being dissatisfied?


NONE. The people on this thread are NOT the ones sending me PMs. THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT GROUPS OF PEOPLE WE'RE DEALING WITH HERE.

Pleasing people? Hmmm...well, let me tell ya something, Doc. Most of the people I took mod action on have posted positively on this thread. One, infact, initiated this poll thread.


I don't really care about the people posting positively this thread. They aren't the ones filling my InBox. They aren't the ones making me defend you.

If I'd only had to respond that way once, then no, it wouldn't have been easier, as this very thread demonstrates.


Sweet mother of Bob. You are responding on this thread because your rationale doesn't make sense to anyone and certainly not to me.


No, I'm responding on this thread because people are still confused for some unfathomable reason.

Respond once? I can't even respond to that statement without totally blowing a fuse, Doc. Seriously.


"Respond once" = respond once to people who PM me. "Respond once" =/= respond once on this thread.

As to the "totally blowing a fuse" portion of your comment, perhaps the temperament which inspired it might have a little bit to do with. . . something.
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Post by _Jersey Girl »

Here are the moderator actions that I took, Shades. By my count there were 9, 3 of which were Mercury who started this poll thread.

Here they are, Doc. I copied them from the search feature but that'll have to do for now. Let's count 'em.

1. By Mercury who started this poll thread:
Forum: The Telestial Forum Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 9:54 pm Subject: Operation Ghey watch


Moderator Note: Moved to the Telestial Forum.

2. By Mercury who started this poll thread:
Forum: The Telestial Forum Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 9:44 pm Subject: Robert Crockett- Dealing honestly with his fellow man?


Moderator Note: Moved to Telestial Forum.

3. By Mercury who started this poll thread:
Forum: The Telestial Forum Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 9:51 pm Subject: My Theory for why Coggy gave up his handle for a flaccid one


Moderator Note: Moved to the Telestial Forum.

4. This was posted by Chap who posted positively regarding my moderation in this poll thread.

Forum: The Telestial Forum Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 5:29 pm Subject: Welcome back Coggins7! And we have mail for you ...


Moderator Note: Moved due to Temple content. A shadow link to this thread remains in the Terrestrial Forum.

5. By Tal Bachman.
Forum: The Telestial Forum Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 10:34 pm Subject: That Wade photo...


Moderator Note: Moved to Telestial Forum. A shadow link to this thread remains in the Terrestrial Forum.

6. Coggins lyrics. I typically left posts like this to stand a bit before moving them.

Forum: The Telestial Forum Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 8:03 pm Subject: Bachman Talmadge Overdrive


Moderator Note: Moved to the Telestial Forum. A shadow link to this thread remains in the Terrestrial Forum.

7. This one began the final "retard" discussion on another thread. beastie thanked me for moving it.:

Forum: The Telestial Forum Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 2:19 pm Subject: Is apostasy from the Gospel a funtion of natural selection?


Moderator Note: Moved to Telestial Forum. A shadow link to this thread remains in the Terrestrial Forum.

8. Handed this one off to Shades regarding an image of LoaP that was posted:

Forum: The Telestial Forum Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 12:25 am Subject: Relationship between LifeOnaPlate and DCP at MAD Board


Wait a minute. There is something wrong here with posting items to embarrass non-celebrity posters. It is one thing to take on
Dr. Peterson or Tal, but it doesn't seem right to go after an ordinary ...

Shades ended up pulling the post himself.

9. And then the very last thing I did as moderator, just before being asked to resign was to pull the same image as Shades had pulled. The exchanges begin here.

http://mormondiscussions.com/discuss/vi ... 745#162745

Infymus (who posted the image first) and Scratch (who had nothing to do with the image) both protested on the thread itself.
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Post by _Jersey Girl »

Shades wrote:As to the "totally blowing a fuse" portion of your comment, perhaps the temperament which inspired it might have a little bit to do with. . . something.



Did I fail to implement your policies or make errors as a moderator? Was I less than conscientious in doing that job? Your comments in the announcement OP give the appearance that there was a recurring pattern of error, bias or something to that effect and that's what people have questioned here, not "temperament". I've posted all 9 mod actions that I made (3 of which are from Mercury who began this poll thread).

If someone had chosen to publicly discredit you, how would you respond? And who should I expect to stand up on my behalf?

You?
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Post by _Blixa »

Ok. Here's my two cents.

I think you're being unnecessarily opaque about the whole thing Shades.

My "feelings" about the board are rather complicated at this point, which is why I rarely post anymore. Of course this has to do with more than just l'affair Jersey Girl, but I'm frankly surprised that you haven't addressed it in a more forthcoming manner. I think it would be easy to do so.
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Post by _Jersey Girl »

Blixa wrote:Ok. Here's my two cents.

I think you're being unnecessarily opaque about the whole thing Shades.

My "feelings" about the board are rather complicated at this point, which is why I rarely post anymore. Of course this has to do with more than just l'affair Jersey Girl, but I'm frankly surprised that you haven't addressed it in a more forthcoming manner. I think it would be easy to do so.


You are most kind, Blixa. Thank you.
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Post by _Jersey Girl »

l'affair Jersey Girl...well, it's got a name now, I suppose. I want to make clear that I had nothing whatsoever with this poll thread going up. I saw it just the same as everyone else did. The only part I had in these threads was to ask you, Shades, to announce my no longer being a moderator publicly.

People here, myself included, obviously fail to see the rationale in what you posted.

That has nothing whatsoever to do with my "temperament". It has to do with your rationale.

Your people are talking to you. I say, let the people talk.
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Post by _JonasS »

I think this is too far. Clearly, we are not being political here. ANd clearly the people who have been PMing Shades are wimps because they would have thought their case, which suggests as we already knew that it has NOTHING whatsoever to do with Jersey Girl conduct as moderator. And in fact is merely personal.

I say give up this whole palava of nonsense and reinstate Jersey Girl as mod. For one she didn't deserve the boot and for goodness sake... Don't aim to please man... You can never please everyone... who knows, we could all start PMing you about Jersey Girl not being mod then you would have, what 36 against 8 that's like 4 and a half times more PMs.

It seems all so very silly and this thread seams silly also.

I think I'm gonna be sick... (not about the thread, I have been feeling sick all weekend).

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Post by _Dr. Shades »

Jersey Girl wrote:Did I fail to implement your policies or make errors as a moderator? Was I less than conscientious in doing that job?


No and no.

Your comments in the announcement OP give the appearance that there was a recurring pattern of error, bias or something to that effect and that's what people have questioned here, not "temperament".


Are you sure about that? I disagree. About the only thing I alluded to was the fact that the votes of "no confidence" from others--as opposed to mistakes or errors on your part--reached critical mass.

If someone had chosen to publicly discredit you, how would you respond?


I don't recall anyone publicly discrediting you.

And who should I expect to stand up on my behalf?

You?


Oh man, if only you knew how many times I stood up on your behalf behind-the-scenes, we probably wouldn't be having this conversation. I'm almost chuckling here.

You seem to think that I'm the enemy here. On the contrary, I'm your unseen champion, and you don't even know it. I simply lost the battle and am making the required concession in order to preserve the peace.

Blixa wrote:I think you're being unnecessarily opaque about the whole thing Shades. . . I'm frankly surprised that you haven't addressed it in a more forthcoming manner. I think it would be easy to do so.


Of course it would be easy to do so. Up 'till now, I've been of the opinion that it wouldn't be best to do so.

But you know what? Screw it. I don't care anymore. Here y'all go:
  • The most visible moderators have been myself, liz3564, Bond...James Bond, Scottie, Sam Harris, and Jersey Girl.
  • Guess how many people have complained about Liz? Only one, Infymus (multiple times). He did it publicly, not via PM, so that's why I can freely "reveal" it here.
  • Guess how many people ever complained about Bond...James Bond? The figure rounds up to an even 0. Yes, that's right, ZERO. No complaints or concerns PMed to me about Bond.
  • Guess how many PMs I've received so far complaining or protesting about Scottie? It's easy to count: NONE. In other words, nobody has complained to me about Scottie EVER.
  • How many complaints did I get about Sam Harris? Two, I believe. It might have been the same person complaining twice, but it's been a while and I can't quite remember, so we'll go with two.
  • Which brings us to Jersey Girl. Oh, boy. Jersey Girl. Where do I start?

    A thread was generated right from the beginning with a title which went something like, "Who else is concerned with Jersey Girl as a mod?" I got several PMs that coincided with it, but I staved them all of with "I ran her through a rigorous recruiting process, so she knows what's expected of her, so please just give her a chance."

    I thought that would end it, but, surprisingly, it didn't. Other PMs arrived every so often with what appeared to be an increasing sense of urgency or seriousness as time went on. Each and every time, I responded with why I felt she should remain as a moderator (I don't feel comfortable with giving any other details).

    Finally, this last bout contained actual anger. One or more people were going to "vote with their feet." I did my best to broker a compromise, but I was unsuccessful.

    So, at long last, I finally decided enough was enough. Why allow the trend to continue? Why not be democratic and just give the people what they want, especially considering the dearth of complaints about any of the other moderators? Besides, no one was agitating for her outright banning from the board--something I always flatly refuse without budging on anyway. At the end of the day, being "de-moderatorized" is simply an adjustment of status, not a punishment, and no abridging of free speech takes place.
Beyond that, since everyone seems to want to know the nitty-gritty, screw it, I'll give in. The squeaky wheel gets the grease, so here you all are:

If there's a trend that ran through all the complaints and concerns like an iron cable, it was this: Jersey Girl is a hothead who gets way too angry way too easily about completely stupid stuff. As such, people just didn't trust her to remain calm "with her finger on the button." And you know what? It turns out they were right, since Jersey has come right out and said that there are four posters that she refuses to moderate since she can't remain objective around them. Unfortunately, in order to keep the people's confidence, a moderator has to demonstrate natural objectivity--nay, he or she has to RADIATE objectivity--in EVERYONE'S case, without exceptions. The intant a moderator expresses or admits an inability to remain detatched in EVEN ONE INSTANCE, well, the whole thing is tarnished.

In each of those cases, I went to bat for Jersey Girl, painstakingly explaining the difference between "speaking as a moderator" and "speaking as a man." In most cases that stilled the waters, but--and you asked for it--there is a distinct sub-set of the above who, in addition to not trusting her, simply don't like Jersey Girl and don't want her anywhere near their posts. It finally got to the point that nothing I could say could make a difference. So, in true Jeremy Bentham fashion, I opted for the greatest good for the greatest number. Yes, it knew there was the potential for Jersey Girl to take it hard--a scenario that has indeed been realized, as luck would have it--but the amount of goodwill I've been able to recoup was a necessary trade-off.

So, in conclusion, is this thread, in and of itself, symptomatic of the very syndrome that made people so concerned? In other words, is this thread demonstrating in real life just what it is they had in mind? You be the judge.
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Post by _moksha »

Dr. Shades wrote: So, in true Jeremy Bentham fashion, I opted for the greatest good for the greatest number.

You be the judge.


What was Jeremy's method of determining what was good for the greatest number? Did he poll the populace or did
he use the squeaky wheel method?
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Post by _Jersey Girl »

since Jersey has come right out and said that there are four posters that she refuses to moderate since she can't remain objective around them


Excuse me, Shades. No I didn't say that I refused to moderate 4 posters because I couldn't "remain objective around them". I stated on this board numerous times that I wouldn't moderate them in order to avoid the appearance of possible bias on my part.

Would you like me to go through the list of 4 posters and state why? I've already done it publicly for the first three.

1. marg and JAK: Because people know we were affiliated on another board for years and might possibly think I'd show favor to them.

2. Kevin: Because he engaged with marg and JAK.

3. Scratch: Because I didn't care to moderate him.

Does that help?
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