Campaign to Reinstate Jersey as a Mod

[_Dr. Shades]

Shades....ya see the negative votes on the poll? Those are the votes of no confidence.

So you already got what you wanted? In that case, why did you continue pumping me for information?

Shades I don't remember ever pm'ing you to complain about any moderator or mod action. . . If I have pm'd you regarding a mod, let me know on the board, and if you can remember any details to jog my memory ... I'll comment.

It isn't necessary to comment even if you did PM me about a moderator.

The post I made isn't a demand; it's merely an open invitation to be either acted upon or ignored at one's leisure.

[_marg]

It isn't necessary to comment even if you did PM me about a moderator.

The post I made isn't a demand; it's merely an open invitation to be either acted upon or ignored at one's leisure.

Ok let's put it this way Shades..am I one of the people in that "critical mass" of complaints you received. If not, I can ignore. If yes, are you going by a pm I made to you or by a post I made on the board?

[_Dr. Shades]

Ok let's put it this way Shades..am I one of the people in that "critical mass" of complaints you received.

No.

If you were, I'm sure you'd know it.

[_marg]

Ok let's put it this way Shades..am I one of the people in that "critical mass" of complaints you received.

No.

If you were, I'm sure you'd know it.

Thanks, coz like I said as far as I know I'm out of this. Unfortunately I drank coffee tonight while out, which is why I am responding to you @ 3:50 a.m.

[_Jersey Girl]

Shades....ya see the negative votes on the poll? Those are the votes of no confidence.

So you already got what you wanted? In that case, why did you continue pumping me for information?

As I stated previously, Shades. I didn't begin this poll thread nor am I the only person who has asked you to explain what took place. If you see that as "pumping" you for information, that would likely be because in the course of approx. 4 months time, not once did you choose to share with me that you didn't think moderation on my part was working out for you so while you see yourself as an "unseen champion", I see you as one who failed to communicate with me along the way and dropped a bomb on me four months down the road. In the real world, that is considered inferior leadership/management. What I expected from you, Doc, was simple honesty along the way to someone who was conscientious and careful in her treatment of your board. At any time, you could have chosen engage in dialogue for as you stated you held your moderators to a higher standard and that, Doc, opens the door for you coaching and correcting your moderators which you chose not to do in my case and I, for one, invited your correction and coaching from before you made an announcement regarding me as a new moderator.

Whatever would have given me what I wanted is four months too far down the road.

What would make me most "happy" at this point would be knowing that you will make an effort on behalf of the moderators you already have to communicate with them more fully than you have in this case. Every effective team relies on on-going communication, coaching and mentoring of new "staff". Failure to communicate and especially to coach and mentor new moderators can lead only to disappointment down the road and you'll just have to take my word on that. If a mod team is what you seek, then do justice to them in that regard.

And just as an afterthought, you could have at any time stated in the mod forum "I'm going to personally moderate posters X,Y & Z"

See how easy that is, Doc?

[_Scottie]

Alright, I'll step up and voice my concerns that I had with Jersey Girl as a moderator.

There were several times that Jersey Girl posted in the moderator forum asking us to moderate a post she had made. This concerned me. How we could trust her to moderate everyone else if she couldn't even moderate her own posts? I PM'd Shades with this concern, and he gave Jersey Girl the benefit of the doubt that she was just learning the ropes. I wasn't as convinced.

For this reason, along with some of the other reasons listed above, I recommended to Shades that she be relieved of mod duties. Shades overruled me and left her in.

[_Jersey Girl]

Alright, I'll step up and voice my concerns that I had with Jersey Girl as a moderator.

There were several times that Jersey Girl posted in the moderator forum asking us to moderate a post she had made. This concerned me. How we could trust her to moderate everyone else if she couldn't even moderate her own posts? I PM'd Shades with this concern, and he gave Jersey Girl the benefit of the doubt that she was just learning the ropes. I wasn't as convinced.

For this reason, along with some of the other reasons listed above, I recommended to Shades that she be relieved of mod duties. Shades overruled me and left her in.

There was one time I asked you all to monitor the thread I was on. Not several. I referred to it publicly and it had nothing whatsoever to do with "learning the ropes". What are the ropes, Scottie? Delete, move, split. I asked you all to monitor the thread in question in order to avoid such scenes as I've seen take place on this board in the past regarding moderators and what hassles they've encountered on account of their postings largely having to do with the "speaking as a man" rule.

As you can see by my previous posts on this thread, I deleted on near a daily basis each time I logged on, moved 8 threads as listed, deleted one image that Shades himself set precedence for and I could be mistaken on this but I don't think I split any threads at all. I do recall someone PMing me to split a thread but as I recall, while I was in the process of checking the boxes, some other moderator made the split. I looked for a split made by me when I collected my mod actions for a post on this thread and I couldn't locate any.

Scottie, I look in on this board on a near daily basis and have done so since it went up. I observed issues regarding moderation on the board and based my conduct, personal policies and such on those. How I could possibly be faulted for that in anyone's eyes is far beyond my ability to fathom it and what you have four months down the road, Scottie, are 9 measely mod actions, a "critical mass", 80 some odd percent confidence rating on this poll thread....and a bomb.

[_Scottie]

Alright, I'll step up and voice my concerns that I had with Jersey Girl as a moderator.

There were several times that Jersey Girl posted in the moderator forum asking us to moderate a post she had made. This concerned me. How we could trust her to moderate everyone else if she couldn't even moderate her own posts? I PM'd Shades with this concern, and he gave Jersey Girl the benefit of the doubt that she was just learning the ropes. I wasn't as convinced.

For this reason, along with some of the other reasons listed above, I recommended to Shades that she be relieved of mod duties. Shades overruled me and left her in.

There was one time I asked you all to monitor the thread I was on. Not several. I referred to it publicly and it had nothing whatsoever to do with "learning the ropes". What are the ropes, Scottie? Delete, move, split. I asked you all to monitor the thread in question in order to avoid such scenes as I've seen take place on this board in the past regarding moderators and what hassles they've encountered on account of their postings largely having to do with the "speaking as a man" rule.

As you can see by my previous posts on this thread, I deleted on near a daily basis each time I logged on, moved 8 threads as listed, deleted one image that Shades himself set precedence for and I could be mistaken on this but I don't think I split any threads at all. I do recall someone PMing me to split a thread but as I recall, while I was in the process of checking the boxes, some other moderator made the split. I looked for a split made by me when I collected my mod actions for a post on this thread and I couldn't locate any.

Scottie, I look in on this board on a near daily basis and have done so since it went up. I observed issues regarding moderation on the board and based my conduct, personal policies and such on those. How I could possibly be faulted for that in anyone's eyes is far beyond my ability to fathom it and what you have four months down the road, Scottie, are 9 measely mod actions, a "critical mass", 80 some odd percent confidence rating on this poll thread....and a bomb.

Hmm...I'll have to check again, but I remember there being quite a few requests for us to read a post you had made and see if it needed to be moderated.

I'm simply saying that I came to Shades as to what I thought was a problem. I'm not saying I was right, but that I may have contributed to this.

And, I think you do have a point. You have performed WAY more mod actions than the rest of the mods, which could be why you're more visible and have had more complaints registered against you.

As to my 9 mod actions, those are only the ones that needed to be notified. That doesn't count the hundreds of quote vortexes, spelling errors and duplicates that I've fixed. I don't think we need to sign each of those minor fixes. I try to moderate by the rule of only moderating the painfully obvious. If it's borderline, I leave it alone.

[_Jersey Girl]

Scottie,

I'd like to address just a couple of more issues as a follow up to our exchanges here before I shut this computer down. Believe it or not, I actually do have a life beyond this board and if I don't get this stuff outta my gut, I won't move on with my day.

With regards to Shades statement about "anger". As I have stated publicly on this board, I can count on the fingers of less than one hand when I've ever become angry on a board and those instances were not on this board. Frankly, there is nothing on a board like this worth "anger" on my part.

I do freely admit to disappointment and feeling insulted in this situation.

As anyone can clearly see, I took great pains to make every mod action fully transparent, and if you could see the mod forum you would see one instance where I asked Shades to monitor one thread where I was a participant. You would also see a great many posts wherein I asked Shades to take a look at something because I was uncertain if it were "kosher or not kosher". On the board you will see where I stated that I'd ask Shades to look at a thread perhaps more than once.

How much more careful should a moderator be?

With regards to speaking as a man. Are moderators not permitted to speak as a man? In the series of exchanges regarding the last mod action I took, Liz told Infymus to kiss her ass. Are we not permitted to do so? And if we are, how does posting stridently indicate lack of neutrality on my part? I listed the 9 moderator actions that I took. Do they lack neutrality or do they support Shades guidelines, polices and previous actions that he himself took?

Scottie, what you fail to understand here is that I don't care if people "like" me or not. I post as I see fit be it stridently, topically or even humorously. What I care about in this situation is the bomb that I referred to.

Once Shades spoke to me of his PM box filling up with nothing but complaints. Do you know what I did? I wrote him a few chatty PM's so he didn't have to look at complaints. Looking back on that, I would have thought that an opportune time for him to take me aside and say something to the effect "Ya know what, Vick? I have to tell you, I'm getting complaints about you. It's not that you lack neutrality or haven't been careful in your mod actions, but people just don't like your style as a poster."

You see? That's all it would have taken for me to initiate either an apology to others or my own resignation. I infact asked Shades once in the mod forum if I should apologize to someone. Scottie, I can totally live with posters not liking my style and have done so for years online. I'm not a head nodder and I never will be. When I see something that I think could be challenged, I do it. If I think someone is being wronged, I'll defend them to the hilt. In this situation, you see me doing it for myself.

The thing too, is this. Moderators on here have no power except to "delete, move and split". Like I said from the start, a monkey with a computer could do it. There is nothing a moderator can do on this board in that regard, that cannot be undone. I can tell you that moderators have lost posts of others and also asked them to repost. So what could a mod possibly DO to anyone's posts that would or could concern anyone to the tune of "critical mass"? It simply doesn't make rational sense to me.

Even here on this thread, Shades states that he has not compared his list of complainers to the people who posted positively on this and the other thread. Does he care to know if people changed their perspectives regarding me? I should think so.

Anyway, before I whine any further, thanks for hearing me out.

[_Jersey Girl]

Alright, I'll step up and voice my concerns that I had with Jersey Girl as a moderator.

There were several times that Jersey Girl posted in the moderator forum asking us to moderate a post she had made. This concerned me. How we could trust her to moderate everyone else if she couldn't even moderate her own posts? I PM'd Shades with this concern, and he gave Jersey Girl the benefit of the doubt that she was just learning the ropes. I wasn't as convinced.

For this reason, along with some of the other reasons listed above, I recommended to Shades that she be relieved of mod duties. Shades overruled me and left her in.

There was one time I asked you all to monitor the thread I was on. Not several. I referred to it publicly and it had nothing whatsoever to do with "learning the ropes". What are the ropes, Scottie? Delete, move, split. I asked you all to monitor the thread in question in order to avoid such scenes as I've seen take place on this board in the past regarding moderators and what hassles they've encountered on account of their postings largely having to do with the "speaking as a man" rule.

As you can see by my previous posts on this thread, I deleted on near a daily basis each time I logged on, moved 8 threads as listed, deleted one image that Shades himself set precedence for and I could be mistaken on this but I don't think I split any threads at all. I do recall someone PMing me to split a thread but as I recall, while I was in the process of checking the boxes, some other moderator made the split. I looked for a split made by me when I collected my mod actions for a post on this thread and I couldn't locate any.

Scottie, I look in on this board on a near daily basis and have done so since it went up. I observed issues regarding moderation on the board and based my conduct, personal policies and such on those. How I could possibly be faulted for that in anyone's eyes is far beyond my ability to fathom it and what you have four months down the road, Scottie, are 9 measely mod actions, a "critical mass", 80 some odd percent confidence rating on this poll thread....and a bomb.

Hmm...I'll have to check again, but I remember there being quite a few requests for us to read a post you had made and see if it needed to be moderated.

I'm simply saying that I came to Shades as to what I thought was a problem. I'm not saying I was right, but that I may have contributed to this.

And, I think you do have a point. You have performed WAY more mod actions than the rest of the mods, which could be why you're more visible and have had more complaints registered against you.

As to my 9 mod actions, those are only the ones that needed to be notified. That doesn't count the hundreds of quote vortexes, spelling errors and duplicates that I've fixed. I don't think we need to sign each of those minor fixes. I try to moderate by the rule of only moderating the painfully obvious. If it's borderline, I leave it alone.

I remember you saying you corrected spelling errors. I did that just once when Porter was writing about his sister because I thought he'd want it to be pristeen as possible in order to honor her.

I don't think I peformed more mod actions than others.

Go ahead and look through the mod forum. You'll see my request clearly indicated in the thread title. The others were asking Shades to take a look at various things that I saw.