For the Atheists-What kind of God would you accept?

[_The Nehor]

A god that provides no objective evidence of his/her existence and is a genocidal bastard is much more helpful to us and him/her.

No, but a good God who you are required to seek out might be (and in fact is) better.

[_Mad Viking]

What's so great about belief in the absence of evidence?

Nothing, faith on the other hand......

What's so great about faith in the absence of evidence?

[_Mad Viking]

A god that provides no objective evidence of his/her existence and is a genocidal bastard is much more helpful to us and him/her.

No, but a good God who you are required to seek out might be (and in fact is) better.

How might a god that requires you to seek him out and still believe in him despite finding no objective evidence to their existence helpful?

[_The Nehor]

To answer my detractors, I'd like to use a scenario. Let's say that tomorrow I came up with an airtight case proving the Book of Mormon and the Book of Abraham that confronts and defeats every issue you have with it and even produce a record of ancient America that parallels the Book of Mormon and is definitively dated and shown to be authentic. Therefore, what?

Yes, people may believe our God is real but so what? In Europe for many centuries God existing was accepted as fact by a huge majority of the people and I don't think it helped very much.

God cares much more to find those who will worship him and seek to emulate him then he cares if the world at large accepts the intellectual proposition that God exists and he happened to assist in the writing of Book A and Book B.

[Guest]

To answer my detractors, I'd like to use a scenario. Let's say that tomorrow I came up with an airtight case proving the Book of Mormon and the Book of Abraham that confronts and defeats every issue you have with it and even produce a record of ancient America that parallels the Book of Mormon and is definitively dated and shown to be authentic. Therefore, what?

That would go a long way for me accepting the existence of the Mormon god.

Yes, people may believe our God is real but so what? In Europe for many centuries God existing was accepted as fact by a huge majority of the people and I don't think it helped very much.

The majority of people in the U.S. today accept the existence of god as a fact and it still isn't helping much.

God cares much more to find those who will worship him and seek to emulate him then he cares if the world at large accepts the intellectual proposition that God exists and he happened to assist in the writing of Book A and Book B.

The circular logic is making me dizzy. Let me see if I have this straight.

God wants people to simply have faith that he prefers faith to intellectual knowledge.

[_guy sajer]

To answer my detractors, I'd like to use a scenario. Let's say that tomorrow I came up with an airtight case proving the Book of Mormon and the Book of Abraham that confronts and defeats every issue you have with it and even produce a record of ancient America that parallels the Book of Mormon and is definitively dated and shown to be authentic. Therefore, what?

Yes, people may believe our God is real but so what? In Europe for many centuries God existing was accepted as fact by a huge majority of the people and I don't think it helped very much.

God cares much more to find those who will worship him and seek to emulate him then he cares if the world at large accepts the intellectual proposition that God exists and he happened to assist in the writing of Book A and Book B.

And you know this about God just how . . . ?

It amazes me that people claim to know so much about a being that they've never seen or talked to.

And given what you've said, and assuming that Mormonism is the only true religion as claimed and alone possesses knowledge of the true God and his doctrine, then .01% of the world worships and emulates him as he would prefer that they do.

God's doing a pretty piss poor job of it even if we accept your explanation. (And by the way, I have no reason to accept that you understand God better than anyone else, so I'm not granting you your arguments.)

[_TAK]

To answer my detractors, I'd like to use a scenario. Let's say that tomorrow I came up with an airtight case proving the Book of Mormon and the Book of Abraham that confronts and defeats every issue you have with it and even produce a record of ancient America that parallels the Book of Mormon and is definitively dated and shown to be authentic. Therefore, what?

Yes, people may believe our God is real but so what? In Europe for many centuries God existing was accepted as fact by a huge majority of the people and I don't think it helped very much.

God cares much more to find those who will worship him and seek to emulate him then he cares if the world at large accepts the intellectual proposition that God exists and he happened to assist in the writing of Book A and Book B.

Hmm .. Lets try this:
Dad cares much more for those children of his who will worship him and seek to emulate him then and cares little for his other children who believe he is alive ..

I am sorry, you worship a petty small being ..

[_The Nehor]

God wants people to simply have faith that he prefers faith to intellectual knowledge.

YES!!!! Though I think once you have faith the other often follows. You yourself said that the knowledge of God doesn't help. Faith does. Faith impels to action. It urges you to do what God says.

If I could prove to every critic here that the LDS faith is accurate and that God exists do you really think they would all start doing their Home Teaching and spend the rest of their lives trying to bring their lives into conformity with God's will? I don't. What good will their membership and belief/intellectual acceptance do? None at all. What harm could it do? Lots. I don't think the Saints really want hundreds and thousands of people clogging up our records who join simply because they think our God is real. Think of the Home and Visiting Teaching issues.......

[Guest]

Detractor: There is no objective evidence that god exists.

Believer: You must have faith.

Detractor: Why?

Believer: Becuase he prefers believers who have faith instead of evidence?

Detractor: How do you know that God prefers that we have faith instead of evidence?

Believer: Because has not given us any objective evidence that he exists.

[_The Nehor]

And you know this about God just how . . . ?

It amazes me that people claim to know so much about a being that they've never seen or talked to.

And given what you've said, and assuming that Mormonism is the only true religion as claimed and alone possesses knowledge of the true God and his doctrine, then .01% of the world worships and emulates him as he would prefer that they do.

God's doing a pretty piss poor job of it even if we accept your explanation. (And by the way, I have no reason to accept that you understand God better than anyone else, so I'm not granting you your arguments.)

I know this about God through a combination of means. Some he told me and some I inferred. Oh, and I have talked to God. Seen? Well, check the thread archives. :)

I think humanity is doing a piss poor job. Where do people get this odd idea that because something is the best that people will flock to it in droves despite all historical evidence to the contrary?