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Droopy wrote:
Jersey Girl wrote:
Loran wrote:No. Polytheism posits a pantheon of beings, each and every one of which can be worshiped alternatively, or simultaneously as gods with various functions or areas of control.


Nonsense. Polytheism is in no way limited to a pantheon of beings.



Sarcastic remarks, well deserved and which Jersey Girl just brought upon herself, have been removed prior to posting.

Polytheism claims the existence of many gods, all of whom may be worshiped. Mormonism does not.


Again nonsense.
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Jersey Girl wrote:
Droopy wrote:
Jersey Girl wrote:
Loran wrote:No. Polytheism posits a pantheon of beings, each and every one of which can be worshiped alternatively, or simultaneously as gods with various functions or areas of control.


Nonsense. Polytheism is in no way limited to a pantheon of beings.



Sarcastic remarks, well deserved and which Jersey Girl just brought upon herself, have been removed prior to posting.

Polytheism claims the existence of many gods, all of whom may be worshiped. Mormonism does not.


Again nonsense.



Stop posturing and get on with it.
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Droopy wrote:
Jersey Girl wrote:
Droopy wrote:
Jersey Girl wrote:
Loran wrote:No. Polytheism posits a pantheon of beings, each and every one of which can be worshiped alternatively, or simultaneously as gods with various functions or areas of control.


Nonsense. Polytheism is in no way limited to a pantheon of beings.



Sarcastic remarks, well deserved and which Jersey Girl just brought upon herself, have been removed prior to posting.

Polytheism claims the existence of many gods, all of whom may be worshiped. Mormonism does not.


Again nonsense.



Stop posturing and get on with it.


Sure, I'll get on with it. Your intentional avoidance of the polytheistic nature of Mormonism and attempt to misdirect via the use of the phrase "plurality of gods" makes you look less than intellectually honest. Whether you personally worship them or not, belief in multiple gods is belief in multiple gods.

When I posture, I'll let you know.
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Seriously, Loran, why is it so difficult for you to own the doctrine of your church? It doesn't matter one whit whether you choose to reference henotheism, polytheism or plurality of gods. It all adds up to belief in multiple gods and please check your resources again because polytheism is in no way limited to worship of multiple gods or a pantheon of beings.

Geez.
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Sure, I'll get on with it. Your intentional avoidance of the polytheistic nature of Mormonism and attempt to misdirect via the use of the phrase "plurality of gods" makes you look less than intellectually honest. Whether you personally worship them or not, belief in multiple gods is belief in multiple gods.

When I posture, I'll let you know.



You're urinating into the wind, right into your own face, and I'm not going to be involved with that because its pathetic and adults should know better than to do it.

You're pretending to debate with me but, in reality, as with so many here, you're only talking to yourself, and that insults my intelligence and just shows a general lack of respect for serious discourse and discussion. If you think I'm going to involve myself any further with intellectually bottomless threads where critics of the Church cannot and will not logically and conceptually follow simple, clear, understandable arguments and explications of Church teachings from those who understand them, and insist on ignoring what should be easily grasped logical contrasts and comparisons in favor of alternative ideas taken from their own predigested scripts, no matter how intellectually fluffy, then you should think again.

After this Nazi thread, I'm just about ready to leave this festering intellectual ghetto to those who are responsible for its creation and maintenance.

Frankly, I don't know why I've wasted so much time here in the first place, and I'll probably be saying goodbye very soon now, permanently.

I've started to realize, and this Nazi thread made in painfully clear, that many of the people here are the kinds of people that I would never go anywhere near in my personal life. I've known many people, including those in my own family, who disagreed with my religious views, and on many occasions these were debated and discussed.

But never, under any circumstances, would I tolerate the company of many of the people here I've met and interacted with. I wouldn't want to know them.

The question then remains: if this is the case, why keep coming back here? Why do I associate with them? To defend the Church? To polish and refine my own arguments and understanding of the Gospel by fielding the conflicting claims and conflicting beliefs of others? Yes...in the beginning. But that's all gone now.

Soon, this place will be left to the critics alone, to become just another RFM; An intellectual, psychological, and moral ghetto who's only interest to serious apologists will be the interest of a gory car accident: a macabre spectacle that one wishes he hadn't seen even as he sets his eyes on the tragic horror itself
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Post by _Moniker »

Coggins, I'll be the first to admit I'm skeptical of a lot of people on the internet (now) and trust no one, pretty much (few exceptions), yet, I don't know their hearts, their lives, their motives, their needs. KA wrote that for a purpose (you don't know it, you may think you do, yet, really you don't) and shared it with the board. Why the vitriol? We don't know the lives of those behind this computer screen. Should we not show compassion for all?
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Post by _Roger Morrison »

Hi KA, thanks for telling Your story. I hope you are enjoying a better quality of life now. Seems individually we adopt Mormonism in our own way--slowly or quickly--and divorce it slowly or quickly. Often adapting it to some degree in the interim that provides an acceptable measure of satisfaction.

It is unfortunate, in my opinion, that the decision to leave seems so traumatizing to some. As in your case. It is, in my opinion the quality of life one experiences that marks their decisons as correct, or not, for them. If life is better out of Mormonism/Religion than it is being in, then "I" think it is wise to leave. IF it better in Mormonism/Religion, then by all means stay. To each their own.

IF one wants to be "Churchy" and think "God" lead them into XYZ Church, i guess they could also think "God" lead them out as well. Now, one could also wonder "IF" there was a higher purpose for "God" to have done so??? Like, experience what is there, then reveal the 'truth' OR the 'error' to the rest of the world. Thus moving humanity closer to THE truth and to the feedom attached thereto???? Warm regards, Roger :-)
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Well let's see...I picked up on your remarks regarding KA's professed realization that Mormonism is polytheistic. None of what you have written below here has anything to do with polytheism, plurality of gods or henotheism. All of which were raised in the posts that you have replied to. The specific post that you are replying to below makes mention of polytheism, plurality of gods, multiple gods and again, nothing in your reply has anything to do with those. Nothing.

It's all blustering.

You claim repeatedly that you seek intellectual discussion/debate and yet you haven't followed through on that claim in your post below. I'll reply to it anyway.

Jersey Girl wrote:Sure, I'll get on with it. Your intentional avoidance of the polytheistic nature of Mormonism and attempt to misdirect via the use of the phrase "plurality of gods" makes you look less than intellectually honest. Whether you personally worship them or not, belief in multiple gods is belief in multiple gods.

When I posture, I'll let you know.



Droopy wrote:You're urinating into the wind, right into your own face, and I'm not going to be involved with that because its pathetic and adults should know better than to do it.


If I were "urninating into the wind" I'd be doing so right into my own ankles. Please re-evaluate your understanding of anatomy. Having said that, the above is an excuse.

Droopy wrote:You're pretending to debate with me but, in reality, as with so many here, you're only talking to yourself, and that insults my intelligence and just shows a general lack of respect for serious discourse and discussion.


Where are your on point remarks? The only pretender I see in these responses, Droopy, is you. I see a running commentary that has nothing whatsoever to do with polytheism, plurality of gods or henotheism. Got topic?


Droopy wrote:If you think I'm going to involve myself any further with intellectually bottomless threads where critics of the Church cannot and will not logically and conceptually follow simple, clear, understandable arguments and explications of Church teachings from those who understand them, and insist on ignoring what should be easily grasped logical contrasts and comparisons in favor of alternative ideas taken from their own predigested scripts, no matter how intellectually fluffy, then you should think again.


Where are your on point remarks? The entire series of remarks above constitute nothing more than evasion. In other words, it's all blustering BS sans topic.

Droopy wrote:After this Nazi thread, I'm just about ready to leave this festering intellectual ghetto to those who are responsible for its creation and maintenance.


I didn't read the Nazi thread and have no intention of doing so. The above is another evasion. Has nothing whatsoever to do with polytheism, plurality of gods or henotheism.

Droopy wrote:Frankly, I don't know why I've wasted so much time here in the first place, and I'll probably be saying goodbye very soon now, permanently.


Thanks for the heads up. Before you go, might you consider addressing polytheism, plurality of gods or henotheism? That was our sub topic.

Droopy wrote:I've started to realize, and this Nazi thread made in painfully clear, that many of the people here are the kinds of people that I would never go anywhere near in my personal life. I've known many people, including those in my own family, who disagreed with my religious views, and on many occasions these were debated and discussed.


This isn't the Nazi thread. We were discussing polytheism, plurality of gods and henotheism. At least I was. I don't know what you're doing with the sub topic.


Droopy wrote:But never, under any circumstances, would I tolerate the company of many of the people here I've met and interacted with. I wouldn't want to know them.


Opinion noted. When were you planning to discuss polytheism, plurality of gods or henotheism?

Droopy wrote:The question then remains: if this is the case, why keep coming back here? Why do I associate with them? To defend the Church? To polish and refine my own arguments and understanding of the Gospel by fielding the conflicting claims and conflicting beliefs of others? Yes...in the beginning. But that's all gone now.


Introspection is a good thing. When were you planning to address polytheism, plurality of gods or henotheism?

Droopy wrote:Soon, this place will be left to the critics alone, to become just another RFM; An intellectual, psychological, and moral ghetto who's only interest to serious apologists will be the interest of a gory car accident: a macabre spectacle that one wishes he hadn't seen even as he sets his eyes on the tragic horror itself


I'm not confident in your predictive powers in the above. I give this board a shelf life of about 3 years from inception before it winds down a bit. Having said that, could you knock off the stone walling and address polytheism, plurality of gods or henotheism?

I'm guessing no.
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Monotheism was a creation of the Babylonian captivity, period. The sheer quantity of texts known to be missing from the original Old Testament tradition is really stunning, as are many of the teachings contained in those texts that give us a glimpse into the religion of pre-exilic Israel.

You're neurotic fixation on the LoF is becoming a real drag. Its old, its tired, its threadbear, and its just another one of your own rice paper thin pretexts for your unique kind of cafateria Mormonism

Dull, dull, dull.


Coggins

Coggy

Try practicing your reading skill man. I was with you on this one save my comment to BC on the Lectures. If you were not such a pompous ass always ready to pounce on people maybe you would get further.

Oh and by the way, pretend as you might the Lectures are an issue for the LDS Church and its own evolution about who and what God is. Your pathetic attempts and trying to pretend there is not a problem is exactly that. Pathetiuc.

The LDS Church was not polytheistic to start with certainly. And most apologists argue it is not now. Are you arguing it is.
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Droopy wrote:
I thought Mormons denied to be polytheists. Are you disputing this?



We believe in a plurality of gods, not in polytheism, you clever little provocateur you.


And the difference is what....?
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