Reporting Crockett to the Bar

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Daniel Peterson wrote:I don't believe that my sending a link to GoodK's father did any serious harm (nor even any non-serious harm) to their relationship. GoodK's father certainly doesn't think that it did, and GoodK hasn't told me that it did. I didn't think that it would. Had I thought so, I would not have forwarded the link.


It has. I'm not sure which "link" did the most damage, the first or third link that you sent him - but things have definitely been seriously harmed.

You and Mr. Crockett should know that.
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GoodK wrote:
Daniel Peterson wrote:I don't believe that my sending a link to GoodK's father did any serious harm (nor even any non-serious harm) to their relationship. GoodK's father certainly doesn't think that it did, and GoodK hasn't told me that it did. I didn't think that it would. Had I thought so, I would not have forwarded the link.


It has. I'm not sure which "link" did the most damage, the first or third link that you sent him - but things have definitely been seriously harmed.

You and Mr. Crockett should know that.


Do you mind if I post our entire email exchange between the two of us when I sent the link to your father, which never got to him or to Dr. Peterson? I won't do without your permission.
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Post by _Daniel Peterson »

GoodK wrote:It has. I'm not sure which "link" did the most damage, the first or third link that you sent him - but things have definitely been seriously harmed.

You should know that.

This contradicts what you've told me previously. You said that no serious damage at all resulted from your father's learning about your initial mockery of him. (I still have your notes to me.) And, of course, it contradicts what your father has told me.

I'm not sure what you mean by "third link." I only sent him the one link to your mockery of him.

I did, however, at his request only a few weeks ago, provide him a link to the conversation here, which he learned of when I wrote to him, asking to tell me the honest truth about whether my providing the link to your initial mockery of him had been objectionable to him (and expressing regret if it had). I'm guessing that he saw some of the extremely nasty (even obscene) things you posted about him relatively recently, and that that has caused some tension between you. By that point, you knew that he was aware of the thread, so I don't think it's fair to lay upon me the blame for any awkwardness that your statements may have caused.
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For heaven's sake, Daniel, you admitted yourself that if a friend apostatized from the church it would alter and strain your friendship. The idea that you thought there was no chance tattlemailing GoodK's father could damage their relationship is confusing, to say the least.

What's ironic about this whole incident is that crocket is the first one who suggested that online behavior could damage a lawyer.

rcrocket's posts regarding skippy, a fellow lawyer:

http://mormondiscussions.com/discuss/vi ... c&start=21


I try jury trials for a living. I can assure you that if you were an expert testifying in your area of expertise before a jury, and it came out that you regularly insulted and maligned a major faith and its adherents all in the worship of the false god of anonymity, you'd be discredited and laughed from the stand. I can also say that those California lawyers who participate on this board with anonymous smears of known and living people put themselves in direct opposition to the promises they made when they were sworn in as lawyers.


As far as whether the state bar would be interested in your posts, I work on state bar matters on occasion. If you would like proof in the pudding, email me your name. (It would be interesting to see how the state bar reacts to a complaint that a brother lawyer is publicly defaming another lawyer and that lawyer's religious beliefs. This is really rhetorical; I'd have no interest at all in retaliation for your buffoonery.)




Oh yes indeed. I scour the internet for whatever the expert has written on any subject. I hire expert investigators to locate this stuff. Usually, in the cross-examination of experts, I have free reign. Particularly as to things they write. And, I find some pretty good stuff. Obviously, anonymous posts are hard to find.

The expert gets hit with a subpoena to produce all things he publicly has published That would include things like this Board -- anonymous or otherwise.

People like Guy Sajer are particularly at risk. I imagine he has or might testify as an expert -- it is not too difficult to figure out who he is.

Nobody's going to be all that interested in a poster liike me or Dr. Peterson who defends his faith. There's going to be a lot of fodder in a poster who denigrates the faith of another -- after all, religious classification is a protected class under the constitution. Under the eyes of the law, at least, an attack upon one's religion is the same as an attack upon one's race.

As far as whether the state bar would be interested in your posts, I work on state bar matters on occasion. If you would like proof in the pudding, email me your name. (It would be interesting to see how the state bar reacts to a complaint that a brother lawyer is publicly defaming another lawyer and that lawyer's religious beliefs. This is really rhetorical; I'd have no interest at all in retaliation for your buffoonery.)


So why is it that the state bar would be extremely interested in another lawyer's anonymous criticism of "a major faith" (I guess it's ok to criticize minor faiths, they have less pull), and yet would not have the slightest interest in crocket's behavior?

I am going to go out on a wild limb and guess that they're really not interested in either, and crocket was full of baloney in his huffery and puffery to skippy, and was just one more tired version of his endless quest to bully critics of the church into silence.
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I get the impression that Dr. Peterson doesn't want to get dragged into defending me. What he did has nothing to do with me. He never got my email, apparently.

I apologize for hurting GoodK's feelings. I only want the best for him.
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Post by _Rollo Tomasi »

Daniel Peterson wrote:This contradicts what you've told me previously. You said that no serious damage at all resulted from your father's learning about your initial mockery of him. (I still have your notes to me.) And, of course, it contradicts what your father has told me.

All one has to do is read the letter from GoodK's father, which you posted on this bb, to see that your busybody interference did significant harm to the relationship. And GoodK now states that he believes your interference caused serious harm. Why do you even dispute the damage you caused?

I did, however, at his request only a few weeks ago, provide him a link to the conversation here, which he learned of when I wrote to him, asking to tell me the honest truth about whether my providing the link to your initial mockery of him had been objectionable to him (and expressing regret if it had).

Somehow all this comes back to you. It's always about you. Not the family that you harmed. Well done, Bishop Dan.

I'm guessing that he saw some of the extremely nasty (even obscene) things you posted about him relatively recently, and that that has caused some tension between you.

Geesh, you're dense.
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Post by _Rollo Tomasi »

rcrocket wrote:I get the impression that Dr. Peterson doesn't want to get dragged into defending me. What he did has nothing to do with me. He never got my email, apparently.

His abhorrent behavior here is on equal footing with yours; neither can be defended.

I apologize for hurting GoodK's feelings. I only want the best for him.

Sure ya do, counselor ....
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Post by _truth dancer »

I personally don't think there is anything to gain by continuing this nonsense.

Again, Bob and DCP why not apologize and call it a day?

Seriously I don't understand why you can't let it go?

Just put it behind you and be done with it.

GoodK stated y'all have caused pain... DCP stated he is not glad he did so, (if he did), so just apologize and be done with it.

Bob seems to be glad he caused pain and is happy to have this continue.. I guess for laughs? (As I said before I don't understand this mindset). So if you can't apologize and are glad for the harm can't you still just let it go?

OK, come on... apologize and be done with it!

Let the wounds heal. Seriously.

:-)

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Edit-oops, posted this before I read the last few posts.
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Post by _Daniel Peterson »

truth dancer wrote:I personally don't think there is anything to gain by continuing this nonsense.

Again, Bob and DCP why not apologize and call it a day?

Because I don't believe that I did anything wrong.

truth dancer wrote:Seriously I don't understand why you can't let it go? Just put it behind you and be done with it.

I'm fine with it. I don't bring it up.

truth dancer wrote:GoodK stated y'all have caused pain... DCP stated he is not glad he did so, (if he did), so just apologize and be done with it.

I don't believe that I caused GoodK any pain.

When he comes up to Utah Valley later this summer, as he tells me he's going to, we'll have the lunch that he says he wants to have with me and I'm sure we'll get along just fine. Our only disagreement about the lunch has been whether he'll pay or I'll pay. (Some of you will no doubt be astonished to learn that my position is the latter.)
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Post by _Daniel Peterson »

Rollo Tomasi wrote:Geesh, you're dense.

In that case, you should probably waste no more time trying to reason with me.

But maybe my stupidity might even excuse my crime?
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