Damaging Family Legacys with New Policies

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Damaging Family Legacys with New Policies

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One example; The absolutes of not more than one earing and no tatoos:

If you're a Mauori, Tongan or some other Mormon Islander, what can you do now? The bell is already rung. Your worthy grandfather even has tatoos (and I mean everywhere).

Even though you've discovered you're not a Lamanite any more and will never become white (and delightsome), they're still trying to make you dress up like a brown Gordon B. Hinkley.

Heaven forbid, one of these righteous old Samoan sages were to enter one of the Happy Valley sacrament meetings adorned as he attends on his own island. I Imagine the bishop tapping him on the shoulder wishing to have a moment of his time. Is he and the rest of the ward going to judge this book by it's cover? He might even be the bishop.

What kind of damage control (balm) could they possibly use to fill this big crack of patriarchal humiliation?

Some ignorant things they say can't be easily undone.
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Do you spend long, idle hours coming up with scenarios in which something the Church does MIGHT offend someone? You need a hobby. I recommend stamp collecting.
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Post by _Mahonri »

Nehor, you are an ass.

This poster has some valid points. Trying to make rules that apply across the board on personal matters is stupid. They may sound like leadership but they ignore cultural differences across the world.

The issue of skin color in LDS society is one that will never end. Racism is institutional. "White and delightsome" is a core teaching of LDS, Inc. It has been so from the first printing of The Most Correct Book on Earth. It is has been reaffirmed by "The Prophets" over and over and over again. Only lately, with BYU threatened with boycotts of football and basketball, was the public practice of institutional racism changed. Spencer Kimball is to be commended for seeing throught the history of racism and making the change. But no matter what is said, the teaching of 'dark and loathsome' and dark skin as punishment/a mark, is part and parcel of Mormonism.

As for 'one earring' and tatoos, customs vary across the world. Fashion police disguised as Gods Annointed ought to have enough intelligence to keep quiet on 'universal rules' where none are needed.

Many practices across the world don't meet arbitrary standards set by LDS Inc. In many cases the 'standards' are nothing more than reaction and prejudice and have nothing to do with spiritual affairs.
From 'two earrings is wrong' to 'little brown boys should marry little brown girls' to 'one drop of negro blood condems you', we have fools trying to enforce prejudices. I bet God is shaking his head in wonder as such stupidity.
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Thanks Mahonri,

I point out ethnocentric policies like these because they contributed to my unhealthy perspective upon cultures/families outside of my own. It seems so obvious to outsiders, yet for those within the church's BS (belief system) - faithful Mormons are unable to see past the culture of the WASP (white anglo Saxon Protestant) world. It's not the first time in history that a religeon wanted to tweak "foreign" cultures.

Obviously, the church only meant to discourage their WASP kids from decorating themselves with trendy and permanent body art. But in doing so, no doubt they have offended cultures that have shared the Mormon legacy for over 100 years.

Disengenuous, uninspired, ethnocentric, Happy Valley think.

I was one of the clones that insisted that myself and my boys always wear a white shirt and tie to the 3 hour block without exception.

I muse that when Jesus ascends from the clouds, someone will dutifully post a note on the chapel door,

"no shoes, no tie, no service"
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Mahonri wrote:Nehor, you are an ass.


I'll admit this when you present someone who has been persecuted by this cultural travesty and show me Pacific Islanders that now show contempt for their ancestors for not following a rule that didn't exist. This is akin to claiming that Jewish Christians in the First Century were persecuted when Paul advised the Saints not to be circumsized.
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Post by _gramps »

Mahonri wrote:

Nehor, you are an ass.


I've always thought he was more like a tapir, or a cum-on.

Perhaps you are right. However, I haven't myself had much work in translating texts, loosely or not, so I bow to your more discerning translation powers.

Anyway, ass, tapir, cum-on, or even a horse. They all seem to fit to me.
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Re: Damaging Family Legacys with New Policies

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repeated, sorry
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Re: Damaging Family Legacys with New Policies

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solomarineris wrote:
Inconceivable wrote:One example; The absolutes of not more than one earing and no tatoos:

If you're a Mauori, Tongan or some other Mormon Islander, what can you do now? The bell is already rung. Your worthy grandfather even has tatoos (and I mean everywhere).

Even though you've discovered you're not a Lamanite any more and will never become white (and delightsome), they're still trying to make you dress up like a brown Gordon B. Hinkley.

Heaven forbid, one of these righteous old Samoan sages were to enter one of the Happy Valley sacrament meetings adorned as he attends on his own island. I Imagine the bishop tapping him on the shoulder wishing to have a moment of his time. Is he and the rest of the ward going to judge this book by it's cover? He might even be the bishop.

What kind of damage control (balm) could they possibly use to fill this big crack of patriarchal humiliation?

Some ignorant things they say can't be easily undone.


So much for "The respecting of Other Cultures" BS.
Mormon Church can't help itself but destroy other Cultures traditions in a subtle ways in order the claim
supremacy.
-Yeah, what about the Hula dances, cooking and other stuff?,
The CULT will let/allow some traditional stuff just to appear civil in the world.
Tattoo's. earrings gotta go...
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Post by _truth dancer »

Yeah, Inc,

Somehow, I just don't see God wanting the world's diversity and beauty squashed to become only that of white middle class 1950's Utah conservatives.

;-)

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Civilizing the Natives..

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The Nehor wrote:show me Pacific Islanders that now show contempt for their ancestors for not following a rule that didn't exist.


Let me be specific.

The Mormon God is the same yesterday, today and forever. We just didn't know he hated tatoos till a couple years ago.

I doubt the the children of a father or grandfather imprinted with ancestral legacy would think any less of them. The travesty is that within a generation, the children will have rejected and forgotten another peice of the heritage that makes them unique as a people.

But that's cool though, right? We'll be patient with these cursed sub-cultures that are remnants of a fallen race. They'll come around. They'll even turn pasty white (and somehow no tan is delightsome?).

I'd suggest that cultural uniqueness is not an abomination - except for a handful of ethnocentric white men in a little ivory tower in Salt Lake.
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